打掉三條上家又打三條能吃嗎啊 - 麻將
By Anthony
at 2017-03-06T19:56
at 2017-03-06T19:56
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寫在前面,這篇是寫給一些真的想討論的人看的,是平民麻將的規則
玩皇室麻將的玩家,可以直接跳過這篇,或是你要來噓我也沒差
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首先,"吃3打3"是不允許的,這點我相信大家有共識
如果是打那種允許吃3打3的,也請左轉出去
讓我們來思考一下到底為什麼不能吃3打3
其實"打3給下家吃"反而不是重點,重點在於
"做了一個沒有意義的動作,而改變摸牌順序"
上家打3,牌敦的下一張牌原本應該是本家摸,但是透過吃3打3
牌敦的下一張牌,就掉到下家去了
而且因為本家完全無法解釋吃3打3對本家有什麼好處
但是又改變了摸牌順序,這種行為基本上不被允許。
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再來,請問 "吃3打3" 跟 "打3吃3" 有什麼不同,沒有不同
這邊要說到一個很重要的點,麻將是四個人玩的遊戲
一方面說,任何規則四人同意即可,你們四個人要玩什麼屁胡100台,別人也無從干涉
(這也是為什麼麻將演變成各地有各地規則的原因,
台北的ABCD打麻將的規則跟屏東的甲乙丙丁打牌的規則可能差異很大
但是只要ABCD跟甲乙丙丁自己說好就可以了)
但是換個角度說,這四個人中,只要有任何人覺得被剪不想玩了
這麻將就打不成了。
(題外話again,你當然可以嗆這個人輸不起,我沒意見
反正這是麻將版大絕招之一,但是缺一人還是沒得打)
所以,做任何動作,必須要能取信於人,本家絕對不牽涉任何作弊行為,一點點都沒有
再來另一個重點,牌桌上沒有人有上帝視角(眼牌除外)
原PO的文章中問,
他摸白皮,不敢打,打三萬下車,對家打白皮沒事。上家跟打三萬,可否吃?
乍聽之下好像有點道理,問題是我們用其他三家的視角來看,以PO上家為例
"下家摸牌,打了三萬,輪到我,我打三萬盯下家,被吃了"
這樣的陳述,不覺得怎麼看都感覺不太對嗎?
牌桌上沒有人會知道什麼你摸白皮不敢打,突然又敢打了,這些心理的轉折
他們只會看到"你打了三萬,又吃了三萬" 這件怎麼看都很奇怪的事情吧?
另外,麻將其實講白了就是資訊戰,每個玩家以自己得到的資訊做自己的判斷
出現在海底的牌,是四家都有的資訊,自己手裡的牌,是自己才知道的資訊
你資訊量不足,所以摸了槍牌不敢打,是你家的事情,別人沒必要管你這些內心戲
舉個例子:
甲跟乙同桌,也同時聽14萬
甲摸到八桶,桌面上不見六七桶,甲只好下車打熟張
乙也摸到八桶,但是乙自己暗槓了六桶七桶,所以乙直接八桶噴出去
轉一圈甲摸到一萬,本來是自摸變成沒自摸,打給乙放槍
甲可以靠北說"你暗槓六七桶又不跟我說,不然本來是我自摸耶"這種話嗎?
不行吧,甲摸八桶不敢打,是甲的事情,乙敢打所以乙湖了,不是很合理嗎
憑什麼甲自己不敢丟的東西,要叫其他三家負責?
簡單來說
"牌桌上沒有人有上帝視角,也沒有人有讀心術
所以就算你自己心理面的解釋看起來超合理(摸槍牌不敢打下車打三萬)
也沒有人會知道。
就算其他家知道你是摸槍牌不敢打,其他家也沒必要管你,你不敢打是你家的事情"
以這個前提,我們回來看 "吃3打3" 跟 "打3吃3" 有什麼不同?
"吃3打3",沒有意義,改變摸牌順序
"打3吃3",以其他家的角度來看,同樣沒有意義,改變摸牌順序
所以同樣禁止,這樣解釋,請問原PO滿意嗎?
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補充一點,對於原PO的情況,我的看法跟某個推文的一樣
"打三萬不能吃回三萬,吃的同時直接算相公或包
但是,如果讓他成功吃回去沒人吭聲
最後自摸可以胡"
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