Persona4 黃金版中文畫面 - PS
By Mia
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at 2012-07-14T18:24
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※ 引述《windfeather (W.F)》之銘言:
: http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/5/68265.html
: 而其中最關鍵的名詞Persona,翻成「人格面具」
: 雖然有點微妙(太直譯了?),也想過翻成「超我」會否比較帥氣
: 不過人格面具的確是最接近榮格心理學的原意,劇情中用起來比較穩定
看到推文,似乎有版友覺得Persona翻成人格面具是錯誤的
關於這點,我得說中文化小組這樣翻完全正確(頂多中文就是看不習慣而已)
Persona系列除了遊戲標題名和劇中同名的關鍵名詞
深深受到榮格心理學影響,Persona本身也是來自於該學說
之所以說是人格面具,用很簡單的說法
就是榮格認為人類隨著年齡與精神的成長
對待不同的環境與人物時,會創造出相對應的人格
比方說對父母展現出撒嬌一面、對朋友展現出開朗一面、對師長展現出乖巧一面
這些行為,就像是戴上了人格面具一樣
而遊戲中之所以稱為Persona,正是因為那些乃是角色們的內心人格具現化後的存在
此外,也不能不提到和榮格心理學息息相關的佛洛伊德
該精神分析學家,將人格精神分成了本我、自我與超我
下面直接借用維基的一段文字:
本我為與生俱來的,亦為人格結構的基礎,日後自我及超我即是以本我為基礎而發展。本
我只遵循一個原則——享樂原則(pleausre principle),意為追求個體的生物性需求如
食物的飽足與性慾的滿足,以及避免痛苦。佛洛伊德認為,享樂原則的影響最大化是在人
的嬰幼兒時期,也是本我思想表現最突出的時候。
自我是人格的心理組成部分。這裡,現實原則暫時中止了快樂原則。由此,個體學會區分
心靈中的思想與圍繞著個體的外在世界的思想。自我在自身和其環境中進行調節。佛洛伊
德認為自我是人格的執行者。
超我(super-ego)是人格結構中的管制者,由完美原則支配,屬於人格結構中的道德部
份。在佛洛伊德的學說中,超我是父親形象與文化規範的符號內化,由於對客體的衝突,
超我傾向於站在「本我」的原始渴望的反對立場,而對「自我」帶有侵略性。超我以道德
心的形式運作,維持個體的道德感、迴避禁忌。超我的形成發生在戀母情結的崩解時期,
是一種對父親形象的內化認同,由於小男孩無法成功地維持母親成為其愛戀的客體,對父
親可能對其的閹割報復或懲罰產生閹割情結(castration anxiety),進而轉為認同父親
看到這邊發現了嗎?
這三者其實也剛好象徵了遊戲中的三種存在
Shadow是遊戲中角色們情緒失控後的欲望化身
指的就是「本我」
而平時的人格則是「自我」
最後接納並認同了自己心靈深處的真實一面後
才得以真正司掌屬於自己的Persona……亦即是「超我」
當然這些和心理學的內容不完全一樣
但也很明顯看得出Persona系列確實和心理學有著密切的淵源
那麼回到本題,將Persona翻成原典含意的人格面具也就不是錯誤了
畢竟事實上連製作組本身,也都已經是引用榮格心理學的概念啊
--
: http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/5/68265.html
: 而其中最關鍵的名詞Persona,翻成「人格面具」
: 雖然有點微妙(太直譯了?),也想過翻成「超我」會否比較帥氣
: 不過人格面具的確是最接近榮格心理學的原意,劇情中用起來比較穩定
看到推文,似乎有版友覺得Persona翻成人格面具是錯誤的
關於這點,我得說中文化小組這樣翻完全正確(頂多中文就是看不習慣而已)
Persona系列除了遊戲標題名和劇中同名的關鍵名詞
深深受到榮格心理學影響,Persona本身也是來自於該學說
之所以說是人格面具,用很簡單的說法
就是榮格認為人類隨著年齡與精神的成長
對待不同的環境與人物時,會創造出相對應的人格
比方說對父母展現出撒嬌一面、對朋友展現出開朗一面、對師長展現出乖巧一面
這些行為,就像是戴上了人格面具一樣
而遊戲中之所以稱為Persona,正是因為那些乃是角色們的內心人格具現化後的存在
此外,也不能不提到和榮格心理學息息相關的佛洛伊德
該精神分析學家,將人格精神分成了本我、自我與超我
下面直接借用維基的一段文字:
本我為與生俱來的,亦為人格結構的基礎,日後自我及超我即是以本我為基礎而發展。本
我只遵循一個原則——享樂原則(pleausre principle),意為追求個體的生物性需求如
食物的飽足與性慾的滿足,以及避免痛苦。佛洛伊德認為,享樂原則的影響最大化是在人
的嬰幼兒時期,也是本我思想表現最突出的時候。
自我是人格的心理組成部分。這裡,現實原則暫時中止了快樂原則。由此,個體學會區分
心靈中的思想與圍繞著個體的外在世界的思想。自我在自身和其環境中進行調節。佛洛伊
德認為自我是人格的執行者。
超我(super-ego)是人格結構中的管制者,由完美原則支配,屬於人格結構中的道德部
份。在佛洛伊德的學說中,超我是父親形象與文化規範的符號內化,由於對客體的衝突,
超我傾向於站在「本我」的原始渴望的反對立場,而對「自我」帶有侵略性。超我以道德
心的形式運作,維持個體的道德感、迴避禁忌。超我的形成發生在戀母情結的崩解時期,
是一種對父親形象的內化認同,由於小男孩無法成功地維持母親成為其愛戀的客體,對父
親可能對其的閹割報復或懲罰產生閹割情結(castration anxiety),進而轉為認同父親
看到這邊發現了嗎?
這三者其實也剛好象徵了遊戲中的三種存在
Shadow是遊戲中角色們情緒失控後的欲望化身
指的就是「本我」
而平時的人格則是「自我」
最後接納並認同了自己心靈深處的真實一面後
才得以真正司掌屬於自己的Persona……亦即是「超我」
當然這些和心理學的內容不完全一樣
但也很明顯看得出Persona系列確實和心理學有著密切的淵源
那麼回到本題,將Persona翻成原典含意的人格面具也就不是錯誤了
畢竟事實上連製作組本身,也都已經是引用榮格心理學的概念啊
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