電腦弱點:中腹有打劫可能的複雜生死戰? - 圍棋
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※ 引述《Vonix (台灣大賭場歡迎您)》之銘言:
: 我嘗試用一句話來講ALphaGo的弱點
: 昨天AlphaGo第一次暴露出弱點,不知道是不是李世石有意為之?
: 李世石在左右方都避開了戰鬥,卻在大局不利時才在中央掀起戰鬥,
: 從盤後解析可以看出,白78神手挽回了局面,但若黑棋應對得宜,
: 局面其實還是細微;但卻造成電腦崩潰自爆。
: 從機器的角度來理解,中腹戰鬥比邊角更複雜難算,且昨天的例子有
: 可能形成大劫爭(但打下去黑棋整體也沒有不利),電腦在這種CASE
: 爆掉,不知道第五盤李世石會不會再度製造這種局面?
我覺得人一開始誤會了電腦的強處與弱處,也許是小李前幾盤一直無法突破的關
鍵。
多數人覺得電腦布局或大局觀應該很弱,因為變化太多,但這可能反而才是電腦
的強處。人類學布局的棋書通常是給幾個選項讓人去分辨哪個點更大,但這其實
很難估計的,很多解只是方向配合或"感覺上"較佳,是否如此難以驗證。但電腦
是用海量的模擬資料的勝率來決定落點,假設電腦是九段實力。他自我對弈了那
麼多盤,如此選出的著點更準確是頗有可能的。
所以這幾盤看得出電腦對厚勢的利用或是對弱棋的處理下得非常好。當然電腦應
該不知道厚勢是甚麼,但他用海量的模擬下去就會發現某些著點因為能和厚勢搭
配自然勝率高。而電腦也會適時補弱棋,因為模擬後應該會發現不補會讓勝率下
降。
而電腦真的不及人類的可能反而在於攻殺,而且是要較大範圍延伸且手順較複雜
的攻殺(範圍太小電腦的模擬應該可以把所有情況都跑完)。一開始多數人都假設
電腦對於攻殺的細算應該不可能出錯,因為可以暴力窮舉法,但正因為AG不是用
窮舉法,反而高段棋士對於區域的細算會更接近窮舉法,也就是更接近圍棋上帝
,所以可以占優。
人在算攻殺的時候靠經驗可以把可能落子侷限在非常少數的著點,並且細算其中
所有變化。而且變化中可能部分手順是固定的,對人來說又把問題變簡單很多。
但對電腦來說其他各種不相干的點他都要考慮,人類所謂的必然解對他來說也不
是必然(像小李昨天說只此一手,AG字典裡絕對沒有只此一手這種事),自然有機
會選錯點或誤判情勢。第二盤的左下處理或昨天中間被手筋一挖就當機都是這種
較大範圍的攻殺。
前幾盤看得出來電腦是能走厚就走厚,能補棋就補棋,沒甚麼機會讓小李搞出複
雜攻殺,到昨天才第一次出現。
電腦好似還有一個問題就是落後時下出的各種大虧損無理手。當然可以理解電腦
的邏輯就是:這樣下你不應我就贏了所以勝率很高,但這對人類是沒用的。相對
於之前有人假設電腦落後會變更強因為要追回來,目前看起來反而是電腦落後就
走遠了,因為它的追棋方式對人類來說是毫無意義的只會讓自己越虧越多勝機越
渺茫。
--
: 我嘗試用一句話來講ALphaGo的弱點
: 昨天AlphaGo第一次暴露出弱點,不知道是不是李世石有意為之?
: 李世石在左右方都避開了戰鬥,卻在大局不利時才在中央掀起戰鬥,
: 從盤後解析可以看出,白78神手挽回了局面,但若黑棋應對得宜,
: 局面其實還是細微;但卻造成電腦崩潰自爆。
: 從機器的角度來理解,中腹戰鬥比邊角更複雜難算,且昨天的例子有
: 可能形成大劫爭(但打下去黑棋整體也沒有不利),電腦在這種CASE
: 爆掉,不知道第五盤李世石會不會再度製造這種局面?
我覺得人一開始誤會了電腦的強處與弱處,也許是小李前幾盤一直無法突破的關
鍵。
多數人覺得電腦布局或大局觀應該很弱,因為變化太多,但這可能反而才是電腦
的強處。人類學布局的棋書通常是給幾個選項讓人去分辨哪個點更大,但這其實
很難估計的,很多解只是方向配合或"感覺上"較佳,是否如此難以驗證。但電腦
是用海量的模擬資料的勝率來決定落點,假設電腦是九段實力。他自我對弈了那
麼多盤,如此選出的著點更準確是頗有可能的。
所以這幾盤看得出電腦對厚勢的利用或是對弱棋的處理下得非常好。當然電腦應
該不知道厚勢是甚麼,但他用海量的模擬下去就會發現某些著點因為能和厚勢搭
配自然勝率高。而電腦也會適時補弱棋,因為模擬後應該會發現不補會讓勝率下
降。
而電腦真的不及人類的可能反而在於攻殺,而且是要較大範圍延伸且手順較複雜
的攻殺(範圍太小電腦的模擬應該可以把所有情況都跑完)。一開始多數人都假設
電腦對於攻殺的細算應該不可能出錯,因為可以暴力窮舉法,但正因為AG不是用
窮舉法,反而高段棋士對於區域的細算會更接近窮舉法,也就是更接近圍棋上帝
,所以可以占優。
人在算攻殺的時候靠經驗可以把可能落子侷限在非常少數的著點,並且細算其中
所有變化。而且變化中可能部分手順是固定的,對人來說又把問題變簡單很多。
但對電腦來說其他各種不相干的點他都要考慮,人類所謂的必然解對他來說也不
是必然(像小李昨天說只此一手,AG字典裡絕對沒有只此一手這種事),自然有機
會選錯點或誤判情勢。第二盤的左下處理或昨天中間被手筋一挖就當機都是這種
較大範圍的攻殺。
前幾盤看得出來電腦是能走厚就走厚,能補棋就補棋,沒甚麼機會讓小李搞出複
雜攻殺,到昨天才第一次出現。
電腦好似還有一個問題就是落後時下出的各種大虧損無理手。當然可以理解電腦
的邏輯就是:這樣下你不應我就贏了所以勝率很高,但這對人類是沒用的。相對
於之前有人假設電腦落後會變更強因為要追回來,目前看起來反而是電腦落後就
走遠了,因為它的追棋方式對人類來說是毫無意義的只會讓自己越虧越多勝機越
渺茫。
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