圍棋規則怎樣制定才合理? - 圍棋
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By Tom
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Table of Contents
先引用B大拋出的一個問題
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再給大家一個思考的空間:
如果最後半劫,還連著一串接不歸,但是劫材確實多很多,是否可以死都不黏,把這些
目數都賴到呢?
你一定會說:「哪有這種道理」吧。
可是,在台灣業餘比賽通用的數子法規則中,只要劫材夠,等於賴得到唷,原本應該花
很多手去補,無暇收單官的死都不黏方,可以仗著劫材夠,照樣一人一手把單官收完,
最後對方打不贏劫,再看你一手一手把所有接不歸連起來。
有的差別是,如果那個接不歸總共要補N手,數子法規則中,你要這樣賴,要比對方多
單官總數/2 + N 個劫材,才能逼對方無棋可下,看著你黏。
LGS規則中,只要比對方多 單官總數/2 + 1 個劫材,就可以這樣搞了。
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然後以下是我自創的譜
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1.黑棋拒絕粘劫 單官填完後虛手 如果白棋也虛手則開始算地
按照比目法的規矩 黑有98個空格 白有154個空格 154-98 = 56
但是不粘劫為日韓規則所不允許
2.黑棋遵循日韓規則務實的粘劫 全部補完後虛手計地
按照日韓規則的算法 黑有90個空格 白有154個空格 154-90 = 64 差8目
3.按照中國規則 子空皆地 黑棋就算全部補完 白棋自填土地也不會影響到目數差距
雙方盤面棋子數 皆為55
空格為黑有98 白有154 差距仍為56目
結果跟1.一樣
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基本上 個人還是贊同吳大國手的說法 一切實戰解決
白打不贏這個劫 黑棋無法從盤面拿走自然不算死
一盤棋的勝負 按照理想來說應該是用"活的棋子所佔的空間"來計算
所以基本上上述3.的計算結果應該是絕對合理不會有站不住腳的問題
而1.的結果跟3.的結果相同 所以是否也算合理?
以結果論來看 是合理的 以LGS的規則來看 LGS應該也會判定黑不用粘
因為LGS的規則看起來雖然像是用比目法 但是精神上比較貼近數子法
但是在下慣網路圍棋 自以為熟悉比目法的網友來說 這就很難接受了
所以他們會認為黑棋平白多賺了8目 (8個空格)
老實說我不知道LGS的計算規則 不知道補跟不補 到底會不會有差
但是為了平息一些多餘的糾紛 其實是可以有所改進的
畢竟有很多人都認為 不填單官就是用比目法
而不去想計地的根本道理是依據什麼 所以老實說 LGS乾脆就宣導用數子法算了
可以平息不少爭議 但是數子法也會有問題 就是收雙後到底要不要貼目
老實說... 很多人下棋久了 對很多規矩都認為是理所當然(包括我)
在寫這些文章之前 從來就沒有想過為什麼計地規則要這樣制定
就我到目前的感想是 不要再用日韓規則的比目法了 因為日韓規則本身的爭議太多
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拿上面的這個雙活的局部來看 用比目法的精神 ●應該有兩目才對
但是日韓規則中 雙活不計地 所以●一目都沒有
這不是很囧的事情嗎? 用比目法的國家結果圍成的目 竟然不算?? 有這種道理??
如果按照中國規則 那自然到最後都要填起來 雙活的公氣一人一個的話
那○有14子 ●有13子 局部上○多一子 自然不會像日韓規則那樣一目皆無
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講來講去 數子法跟比目法到底誰優誰劣 眾家說法紛云
但就前面幾篇文章提到的在LGS發生的 有劫不粘事件
其實如果是用中國規則的子空皆地 其實劫粘不粘真的沒差
其實跟收雙後是同一件事
而到目前為止 只有不知道何時冒出來的美國規則有規定黑收雙後要貼一目
中國規則則未知 印象中是沒有要扣回來
但在一切講求公平的原則下 黑白子數應該要相同
黑收雙後的確是仗著先落子的優勢 而要怎麼去平衡 實在是有待棋界促成共識
圍棋國際化的趨勢越來越明顯 國際圍棋規則的訂定是趨勢使然
我等凡夫俗子 切莫為了這一目半目斤斤計較而大發肝火
反而忽略了下圍棋修身養性的根本
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