中國版人機大戰緣何沉寂? 劉知青:缺乏 - 圍棋
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中國版人機大戰緣何沉寂? 劉知青:缺乏研究人才
文章來源:北京青年報
一年前,在北京工體旁的網魚網咖,第一屆世界電腦圍棋錦標賽上,來自中國、韓國
、日本、美國、法國、捷克的圍棋人工智慧軟體捉對廝殺了3天後,總冠軍韓國的“石子
旋風”受讓5子,卻被中國七段棋手連笑擊敗。那時還無人知曉AlphaGo的大名。一年 過
去了,圍棋AI(人工智慧)早已被炒得火熱,去年曾在北京亮相的日本圍棋軟體“ZEN”
,也首次不受讓子,前天與日本著名棋手趙治勳九段戰成1比2。可這一年間,中國的圍棋
智慧軟體哪兒去了?
阿爾法狗火了 中國AI卻沉寂
“第二屆世界電腦圍棋錦標賽?早就確定不搞了。”首屆錦標賽媒體推廣人陳昭告訴
北京青年報記者,“中國研發人員覺得,如果達不到AlphaGo今年3月與李世石對陣的水準
,那還不如不露面。”
去年,來自北京郵電大學、武漢大學,以及臺灣的三支中國隊伍參加了角逐。但最好
的一支國內隊伍僅獲第七名。在連笑輕鬆戰勝人工智慧冠軍“石子旋風”後,現場觀戰的
中國圍棋隊主教練俞斌九段認為,電腦真正下過人類,還得20年。
今年3月AlphaGo4比1完勝韓國名將李世石,證明了智能的成長性。中國也隨即掀起討
論圍棋智慧的熱潮。又過了8個月,北青報記者發現,中國相關圍棋智慧研究,依然處在
缺乏政策傾斜,少有資金眷顧,各自為戰的鬆散局面。
擁有天河二號不等於AI厲害
當AlphaGo4比1大勝李世石,專家跌碎一地眼鏡之餘也指出,其成功之道不止是軟體
的突破,還有大金主的資金和硬體的支援。但當時就有中國棋友詰問:我們有天河二號啊
!
天河二號超級電腦作為中國“最強大腦”,耗資一億美元打造,峰值計算速度每秒
5.49億億次,記憶體總容量1400萬億位元組。2015年以每秒33.86千萬億次的浮點速度,
第六次蟬聯世界超級電腦排行榜的冠軍。
陳昭坦言,在策劃第二屆電腦圍棋錦標賽時,曾經聯繫過天河二號所在的廣州超算中
心。“聯繫了一陣,後來還是決定不搞了。”北青報記者從北京郵 電大學電腦圍棋研究
所所長劉知青教授那裡,瞭解到更多詳情。據他介紹,搞圍棋人工智慧,靠一個人,一台
電腦肯定不行,一定要有頂級硬體條件支援。“但另 一方面,我們還需要長期在圍棋人
工智慧領域工作的人才,還需要在軟體方面有所突破,才能真正把硬體優勢發揮出來。”
他說。換言之,沒有類似AlphaGo 那樣的智慧軟體,硬體再快也無用武之地。
還在解讀AlphaGo論文階段
那麼,中國圍棋智慧軟體水準目前處在什麼層次?劉知青一方面表示,這一年我們的
軟體水準還是有進步的,一方面也承認,目前大家的目標,就是解讀AlphaGo之前發表的
論文,“爭取達到它在今年3月的水準。”
在AlphaGo之後,人工智慧領域最大的進步,當屬日本圍棋軟體DeepZenGo。去年的錦
標賽,“ZEN”還不能在程式間的對決中獲勝, 一年後已不受讓子勝趙治勳九段一盤。但
對此成績,劉知青並不太認同。“從去年受讓6子,到如今戰勝趙治勳,確實有進步,”
他說,“但還沒有達到 AlphaGo的水準。”
即使如此,中國尚沒有匹敵“ZEN”的圍棋軟體。但劉知青認為,中國已走在正確的
道路上。“AlphaGo證明了人工智慧走神經網路,價值判斷的路是正確的,我們的AI也走
這條路。相信在消化吸收了AlphaGo的論文,我們會取得更多突破。”
缺乏資金和政府層面支持
值得注意的是,去年首屆錦標賽上,已經提出走商業化發展的中國圍棋AI,沒有在
AlphaGo打出的人工智慧風口推動下飛上天,反而陷入各自為戰的沉寂。
AlphaGo與李世石的人機大戰剛過去一周,中國人工智慧協會就會同中國圍棋協會召開
論壇,邀請包括工程院院士李德毅、北郵校長林金桐等各界人士,討論人工智慧前景。而
具體到北郵電腦圍棋研究所研發的圍棋AI,最終也未獲得政府或大企業的青睞。
那麼,是圍棋人工智慧的應用前景不被看好嗎?劉知青予以否認。他認為,AlphaGo
有強大的總體把握能力,可以簡明地把優勢轉化為勝勢。而圍棋問題有天文數字的狀態空
間和決策空間,解決圍棋問題,是證明人工智慧研究突破的重大節點。
如此具有前景的應用領域,已經吸引了國外多個科技巨頭投入,而在中國似乎還處在
各幹各的局面。“比如前一陣,我們經政府牽線,與騰訊人工智慧部門談過合作,後來不
了了之,最近聽說他們在自己搞相關工作了。”劉知青說。
劉知青坦言,中國目前其實不缺硬體,更不缺資金,缺乏的是長期在該領域投入的研
究人才和時間的累積。“目前中國在這一領域時間最久的就是我,也不過十餘年。未來中
國只有在人才積累,軟體科技積累達到一定水準,才能取得突破。”也許那時才是中國相
關人工智慧的真正風口。(記者 褚鵬)
http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2016-11-25/doc-ifxyawmm3363951.shtml
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文章來源:北京青年報
一年前,在北京工體旁的網魚網咖,第一屆世界電腦圍棋錦標賽上,來自中國、韓國
、日本、美國、法國、捷克的圍棋人工智慧軟體捉對廝殺了3天後,總冠軍韓國的“石子
旋風”受讓5子,卻被中國七段棋手連笑擊敗。那時還無人知曉AlphaGo的大名。一年 過
去了,圍棋AI(人工智慧)早已被炒得火熱,去年曾在北京亮相的日本圍棋軟體“ZEN”
,也首次不受讓子,前天與日本著名棋手趙治勳九段戰成1比2。可這一年間,中國的圍棋
智慧軟體哪兒去了?
阿爾法狗火了 中國AI卻沉寂
“第二屆世界電腦圍棋錦標賽?早就確定不搞了。”首屆錦標賽媒體推廣人陳昭告訴
北京青年報記者,“中國研發人員覺得,如果達不到AlphaGo今年3月與李世石對陣的水準
,那還不如不露面。”
去年,來自北京郵電大學、武漢大學,以及臺灣的三支中國隊伍參加了角逐。但最好
的一支國內隊伍僅獲第七名。在連笑輕鬆戰勝人工智慧冠軍“石子旋風”後,現場觀戰的
中國圍棋隊主教練俞斌九段認為,電腦真正下過人類,還得20年。
今年3月AlphaGo4比1完勝韓國名將李世石,證明了智能的成長性。中國也隨即掀起討
論圍棋智慧的熱潮。又過了8個月,北青報記者發現,中國相關圍棋智慧研究,依然處在
缺乏政策傾斜,少有資金眷顧,各自為戰的鬆散局面。
擁有天河二號不等於AI厲害
當AlphaGo4比1大勝李世石,專家跌碎一地眼鏡之餘也指出,其成功之道不止是軟體
的突破,還有大金主的資金和硬體的支援。但當時就有中國棋友詰問:我們有天河二號啊
!
天河二號超級電腦作為中國“最強大腦”,耗資一億美元打造,峰值計算速度每秒
5.49億億次,記憶體總容量1400萬億位元組。2015年以每秒33.86千萬億次的浮點速度,
第六次蟬聯世界超級電腦排行榜的冠軍。
陳昭坦言,在策劃第二屆電腦圍棋錦標賽時,曾經聯繫過天河二號所在的廣州超算中
心。“聯繫了一陣,後來還是決定不搞了。”北青報記者從北京郵 電大學電腦圍棋研究
所所長劉知青教授那裡,瞭解到更多詳情。據他介紹,搞圍棋人工智慧,靠一個人,一台
電腦肯定不行,一定要有頂級硬體條件支援。“但另 一方面,我們還需要長期在圍棋人
工智慧領域工作的人才,還需要在軟體方面有所突破,才能真正把硬體優勢發揮出來。”
他說。換言之,沒有類似AlphaGo 那樣的智慧軟體,硬體再快也無用武之地。
還在解讀AlphaGo論文階段
那麼,中國圍棋智慧軟體水準目前處在什麼層次?劉知青一方面表示,這一年我們的
軟體水準還是有進步的,一方面也承認,目前大家的目標,就是解讀AlphaGo之前發表的
論文,“爭取達到它在今年3月的水準。”
在AlphaGo之後,人工智慧領域最大的進步,當屬日本圍棋軟體DeepZenGo。去年的錦
標賽,“ZEN”還不能在程式間的對決中獲勝, 一年後已不受讓子勝趙治勳九段一盤。但
對此成績,劉知青並不太認同。“從去年受讓6子,到如今戰勝趙治勳,確實有進步,”
他說,“但還沒有達到 AlphaGo的水準。”
即使如此,中國尚沒有匹敵“ZEN”的圍棋軟體。但劉知青認為,中國已走在正確的
道路上。“AlphaGo證明了人工智慧走神經網路,價值判斷的路是正確的,我們的AI也走
這條路。相信在消化吸收了AlphaGo的論文,我們會取得更多突破。”
缺乏資金和政府層面支持
值得注意的是,去年首屆錦標賽上,已經提出走商業化發展的中國圍棋AI,沒有在
AlphaGo打出的人工智慧風口推動下飛上天,反而陷入各自為戰的沉寂。
AlphaGo與李世石的人機大戰剛過去一周,中國人工智慧協會就會同中國圍棋協會召開
論壇,邀請包括工程院院士李德毅、北郵校長林金桐等各界人士,討論人工智慧前景。而
具體到北郵電腦圍棋研究所研發的圍棋AI,最終也未獲得政府或大企業的青睞。
那麼,是圍棋人工智慧的應用前景不被看好嗎?劉知青予以否認。他認為,AlphaGo
有強大的總體把握能力,可以簡明地把優勢轉化為勝勢。而圍棋問題有天文數字的狀態空
間和決策空間,解決圍棋問題,是證明人工智慧研究突破的重大節點。
如此具有前景的應用領域,已經吸引了國外多個科技巨頭投入,而在中國似乎還處在
各幹各的局面。“比如前一陣,我們經政府牽線,與騰訊人工智慧部門談過合作,後來不
了了之,最近聽說他們在自己搞相關工作了。”劉知青說。
劉知青坦言,中國目前其實不缺硬體,更不缺資金,缺乏的是長期在該領域投入的研
究人才和時間的累積。“目前中國在這一領域時間最久的就是我,也不過十餘年。未來中
國只有在人才積累,軟體科技積累達到一定水準,才能取得突破。”也許那時才是中國相
關人工智慧的真正風口。(記者 褚鵬)
http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2016-11-25/doc-ifxyawmm3363951.shtml
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