風花雪月是不是滿可惜的? - Switch

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作者: wyner (外嫩) 看板: C_Chat
標題: [聖火] 風花雪月是不是滿可惜的?
時間: Fri Aug 30 18:40:45 2019
大家好,我聖火老粉,這次聖火我玩得很爽
非常快速的突破120幾個小時
但我覺得各方面的改變明明都是對的而且成效非常好
舉凡系統上的類P5投資學生、訓練、聊天喝茶
人物刻劃、人設、劇情比較非傳統王道大團圓結局
我覺得都很棒
可是偏偏有幾個點讓人搞不懂,明明就差臨門一腳了卻不搞好一點
下面有雷
1.劇情
大方向上是可以的,各種設定讓人覺得事有下過功夫
可是事件流向細節卻處裡的很智障、不然就是差異不大
舉例來說不管老師怎麼選大修道院都註定會在學院篇被皇女車過去
主角落崖感覺也有點瞎,應該可以跟被送到異空間結合
雖然被送到異空間,但因為時間流動速度不同
斬裂時空居然已經是五年後這樣 總好過落崖躺五年
劇情脈絡像是皇女線最明顯,演出爛、短得莫名其妙
而且玩過其他線就會發現皇女太過非黑即白、一廂情願
神祖或許不是什麼聖人,但也不是什麼十惡不赦的亂源
結果被皇女當萬惡之源,這跟上帝視角也不是很有關
而是皇女根本不想去了解紋章與階級的因果關係
弄死你全家跟害死主角老爸的黑蠢者也沒恨成這樣
更好笑的是幕後黑手最後都沒打就Over
想要走黑深殘、相愛相殺、無可奈何的惆悵感不是不行
但要是讓人感受不到角色行動的前後因果就失敗了
這次雖然有3(4)線,但我覺得以劇情差異性跟豐富度來說還不如穩穩的分兩線把故事說完
像P5算是滿王道的劇情、一樣輔以豐富的角色支線劇情,
只要劇情脈絡清楚、轉折有邏輯一樣可以人人稱道
2.轉職系統
聖火以前從來沒見過這樣的轉職系統
最高級職業比前一級的種類少,
成長率還一堆廢到不行的速度負成長
而且缺陷一堆,拿槍的男生只能選英勇騎士
法術職男生還只能上馬選神聖騎士或黑騎士
更不用說白魔法專家這種白癡技能,白魔法能攻擊的才不過三招
能學超過2招就是天才了(無誤
飛的都是神、拿斧頭的戰爭跟飛龍領主都強到歪頭
特效這代又改爛,我真的不知道為什麼要在地上爬,平衡性極差
3.戰鬥畫面
這真的超混,只有畫質提高,其他都同一套套套套
不同人的不同戰技都用同一套模組
戰技都已經沒幾個了還能混成這樣
Echoes都沒兼用成這樣
超越Seed的天才
感覺就是各方面都差臨門一腳就能成為指標性作品了,是不是很可惜R?
--
作者: wyner (外嫩) 看板: C_Chat
標題: [聖火] 風花雪月是不是滿可惜的?
時間: Fri Aug 30 18:40:45 2019
大家好,我聖火老粉,這次聖火我玩得很爽
非常快速的突破120幾個小時
但我覺得各方面的改變明明都是對的而且成效非常好
舉凡系統上的類P5投資學生、訓練、聊天喝茶
人物刻劃、人設、劇情比較非傳統王道大團圓結局
我覺得都很棒
可是偏偏有幾個點讓人搞不懂,明明就差臨門一腳了卻不搞好一點
下面有雷
1.劇情
大方向上是可以的,各種設定讓人覺得事有下過功夫
可是事件流向細節卻處裡的很智障、不然就是差異不大
舉例來說不管老師怎麼選大修道院都註定會在學院篇被皇女車過去
主角落崖感覺也有點瞎,應該可以跟被送到異空間結合
雖然被送到異空間,但因為時間流動速度不同
斬裂時空居然已經是五年後這樣 總好過落崖躺五年
劇情脈絡像是皇女線最明顯,演出爛、短得莫名其妙
而且玩過其他線就會發現皇女太過非黑即白、一廂情願
神祖或許不是什麼聖人,但也不是什麼十惡不赦的亂源
結果被皇女當萬惡之源,這跟上帝視角也不是很有關
而是皇女根本不想去了解紋章與階級的因果關係
弄死你全家跟害死主角老爸的黑蠢者也沒恨成這樣
更好笑的是幕後黑手最後都沒打就Over
想要走黑深殘、相愛相殺、無可奈何的惆悵感不是不行
但要是讓人感受不到角色行動的前後因果就失敗了
這次雖然有3(4)線,但我覺得以劇情差異性跟豐富度來說還不如穩穩的分兩線把故事說完
像P5算是滿王道的劇情、一樣輔以豐富的角色支線劇情,
只要劇情脈絡清楚、轉折有邏輯一樣可以人人稱道
2.轉職系統
聖火以前從來沒見過這樣的轉職系統
最高級職業比前一級的種類少,
成長率還一堆廢到不行的速度負成長
而且缺陷一堆,拿槍的男生只能選英勇騎士
法術職男生還只能上馬選神聖騎士或黑騎士
更不用說白魔法專家這種白癡技能,白魔法能攻擊的才不過三招
能學超過2招就是天才了(無誤
飛的都是神、拿斧頭的戰爭跟飛龍領主都強到歪頭
特效這代又改爛,我真的不知道為什麼要在地上爬,平衡性極差
3.戰鬥畫面
這真的超混,只有畫質提高,其他都同一套套套套
不同人的不同戰技都用同一套模組
戰技都已經沒幾個了還能混成這樣
Echoes都沒兼用成這樣
超越Seed的天才
感覺就是各方面都差臨門一腳就能成為指標性作品了,是不是很可惜R?
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