關於拼音文 - WOW

By Edward Lewis
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最近很少回來 一來又看到這一條
而且有這樣的說法
"二.c由於太多人違規,而板規內容可能不甚詳細"
我有兩個看法 一個整理
(1)板規內容其實已經比以前詳細很多了
我的意思不是指規定的多嚴格多瑣碎
而是說明其實相較以前是滿清楚的
再說用了這麼久的板規 總有相關"判例"當成"詳細說明"
只不過是因為人少 新判例的露臉率少了 舊的又沉底了
現在只是因為改版與暑假的時間點回流
很多人少來少發文就忘了或沒看而已
並不是因為詳細與否的問題
(2)詳細 另一解 為瑣碎
板規不可能逐條列舉範例
如果真的逐項列舉 永遠會有例外
甚至範例本身難免出現矛盾
與其以眾多假想範例 綁手綁腳或略顯矛盾 到不如以無爭議的判例為例即可
而這些都經過公告並留存的案例 也都是有跡可循有案可查的
頂多在公告中加註:關於過去的"無爭議判例"請參考精華區XX
當然 個人並不認為現行板規的"詳細"代表有瑣碎的缺點
---
板規不可能無限上綱也不可能無窮列舉
灰色地帶有三種做法
(1)版主心證
(2)僅用警告
(3)參考判例
其實現行幾位版主都做很久 而且最近也沒什麼大事件爭議
假設板歸列50為違規門檻
灰色地帶40~60由板主去抓就行了
頂多是彈性到40都只用警告
少見的案例就用警告加板主說明就好了 並且列入新判例
除非有人刻意採線 不然新判例久久也才一個
自由心證會有問題的除非是
板主對特定人用40對另一特定人用60
40~60會視人縮放0~100
總之..這部分應該是申訴問題 而非版規的問題
版規越列越細 版友動輒得咎 版主也很難判定
以前的經驗來說 反而會變成很多爭議的起頭
---
我記得當初大陸人來很多的時候
就有討論過關於拼音文(火星文)的定義與分類問題
那時候就有一輪大整理 可是後來也淹沒了
當然這分類要有能說服人的理由支持 不然會影響定義區間
個人有個簡單整理可以參考
以下是舉例整理麻煩版規手下留情
0.縮寫
透過減少文字或字母數 減少書寫或表示麻煩 單純縮寫無涉音標拼音
死亡騎士->死騎
NTU->National Taiwan University
薩滿->shaman->shm
asap->as soon as possible
lol->laugh out loudly
1.拼音文或注音文*
透過注音、拼音、音標、發音 進行文字轉換(或同時縮寫)
(1-1-1)拼音 大陸 中國 用法
薩滿->sà mǎn->sa man->sm
(1-1-2)注音 台灣 用法
薩滿->ㄙㄚˋ ㄇㄢˇ
(1-1-3)五十音 日本用法
笑->warau
(1-2-1)拼音縮寫(拼音文)
薩滿->sà mǎn->sa man->sm
(1-2-2)注音縮寫(注音文)
薩滿->ㄙㄚˋ ㄇㄢˇ->薩滿->ㄙㄇ
對不起大大->ㄉㄅㄑㄉㄉ
(1-2-3)五十音縮寫
笑->w
(1-4)數字文 數字諧音
3Q->thank you
74->騎士
47->死騎
2.殘體字
文字片段->文字
米分糸工女乃豆頁->
雨八令刀->
1337->LEET
3.顏文字
文字或符號->圖案或表情
(= v =)
:P :D :)
---
有興趣的可以參考看看
其實這些火星文應該沒有一個公定的分類
而且彼此又互相參雜影響
不如說分類方式和原則 是否能說出一套道理來服人而已
一定也有其他可行分類方式
有所謂的1337 或 LEET 網路駭客語言 更是其中的集大成
其實關鍵上的差異在於 縮寫 拼音 拼音縮寫 三者的區隔
很多人會說 lol wow shm 也是"縮寫"啊
為什麼sm www會不一樣?
差別在他們是"拼音縮寫" 多轉了一手
至於"火星文" 算在哪個範圍 就見仁見智了
廣義來說當然可以都算
但是"單純縮寫" 由於生活中和科學中很泛用 所以未必就算火星文了
---
以上是善意舉例 求版規通融 如果不適合 可以再馬賽克處理
沒有釣魚的意思 推文大大各自保重Q_Q
--
而且有這樣的說法
"二.c由於太多人違規,而板規內容可能不甚詳細"
我有兩個看法 一個整理
(1)板規內容其實已經比以前詳細很多了
我的意思不是指規定的多嚴格多瑣碎
而是說明其實相較以前是滿清楚的
再說用了這麼久的板規 總有相關"判例"當成"詳細說明"
只不過是因為人少 新判例的露臉率少了 舊的又沉底了
現在只是因為改版與暑假的時間點回流
很多人少來少發文就忘了或沒看而已
並不是因為詳細與否的問題
(2)詳細 另一解 為瑣碎
板規不可能逐條列舉範例
如果真的逐項列舉 永遠會有例外
甚至範例本身難免出現矛盾
與其以眾多假想範例 綁手綁腳或略顯矛盾 到不如以無爭議的判例為例即可
而這些都經過公告並留存的案例 也都是有跡可循有案可查的
頂多在公告中加註:關於過去的"無爭議判例"請參考精華區XX
當然 個人並不認為現行板規的"詳細"代表有瑣碎的缺點
---
板規不可能無限上綱也不可能無窮列舉
灰色地帶有三種做法
(1)版主心證
(2)僅用警告
(3)參考判例
其實現行幾位版主都做很久 而且最近也沒什麼大事件爭議
假設板歸列50為違規門檻
灰色地帶40~60由板主去抓就行了
頂多是彈性到40都只用警告
少見的案例就用警告加板主說明就好了 並且列入新判例
除非有人刻意採線 不然新判例久久也才一個
自由心證會有問題的除非是
板主對特定人用40對另一特定人用60
40~60會視人縮放0~100
總之..這部分應該是申訴問題 而非版規的問題
版規越列越細 版友動輒得咎 版主也很難判定
以前的經驗來說 反而會變成很多爭議的起頭
---
我記得當初大陸人來很多的時候
就有討論過關於拼音文(火星文)的定義與分類問題
那時候就有一輪大整理 可是後來也淹沒了
當然這分類要有能說服人的理由支持 不然會影響定義區間
個人有個簡單整理可以參考
以下是舉例整理麻煩版規手下留情
0.縮寫
透過減少文字或字母數 減少書寫或表示麻煩 單純縮寫無涉音標拼音
死亡騎士->死騎
NTU->National Taiwan University
薩滿->shaman->shm
asap->as soon as possible
lol->laugh out loudly
1.拼音文或注音文*
透過注音、拼音、音標、發音 進行文字轉換(或同時縮寫)
(1-1-1)拼音 大陸 中國 用法
薩滿->sà mǎn->sa man->sm
(1-1-2)注音 台灣 用法
薩滿->ㄙㄚˋ ㄇㄢˇ
(1-1-3)五十音 日本用法
笑->warau
(1-2-1)拼音縮寫(拼音文)
薩滿->sà mǎn->sa man->sm
(1-2-2)注音縮寫(注音文)
薩滿->ㄙㄚˋ ㄇㄢˇ->薩滿->ㄙㄇ
對不起大大->ㄉㄅㄑㄉㄉ
(1-2-3)五十音縮寫
笑->w
(1-4)數字文 數字諧音
3Q->thank you
74->騎士
47->死騎
2.殘體字
文字片段->文字
米分糸工女乃豆頁->
雨八令刀->
1337->LEET
3.顏文字
文字或符號->圖案或表情
(= v =)
:P :D :)
---
有興趣的可以參考看看
其實這些火星文應該沒有一個公定的分類
而且彼此又互相參雜影響
不如說分類方式和原則 是否能說出一套道理來服人而已
一定也有其他可行分類方式
有所謂的1337 或 LEET 網路駭客語言 更是其中的集大成
其實關鍵上的差異在於 縮寫 拼音 拼音縮寫 三者的區隔
很多人會說 lol wow shm 也是"縮寫"啊
為什麼sm www會不一樣?
差別在他們是"拼音縮寫" 多轉了一手
至於"火星文" 算在哪個範圍 就見仁見智了
廣義來說當然可以都算
但是"單純縮寫" 由於生活中和科學中很泛用 所以未必就算火星文了
---
以上是善意舉例 求版規通融 如果不適合 可以再馬賽克處理
沒有釣魚的意思 推文大大各自保重Q_Q
--
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