還棋頭 - 圍棋

By Rachel
at 2018-03-22T13:48
at 2018-03-22T13:48
Table of Contents
※ 引述《Yibooo ( )》之銘言:
: 上面關於越南圍棋那篇
: 底下推文有棋友在討論中國古規則
: 講到中國古規則
: 就很想聊聊還棋頭
: 雖然聊這個很像自討苦吃
: 感覺一定會被噓
: 但我是真心認為 還棋頭和座子是不一樣的
: 座子應該廢除 因限制了圍棋變化
: 但還棋頭其實是讓圍棋更加邏輯自治的規則
: 以下文章轉自知乎網站上:
: https://www.zhihu.com/question/36575179
: 一篇關於還棋頭的討論中
: 我認為寫得最好的一篇回覆
: 不想看簡體字者可直接往下拉
: 我做了繁簡轉換並校對兩次
: 以下文長
: * * * * * *
: 標題:現代職業圍棋是否應該恢復中國古代正統圍棋規則中的「還棋頭」(數子法)規則
: ?
: 回答:
: 本人的回答是否定的,不應該被取消。而且相對於現代規則,它應該是更“好”的。還棋
: 頭相比現代規則幾乎沒有缺點,但具有現代規則不具備的邏輯自洽性和簡潔之美。
: 現代圍棋廢除還棋頭,屬於古代信息流通不暢,造成的一個巨大悲劇和笑話,足以成為傳
: 播學上一個精彩案例。
: 先說一句核心的論點:如果我們用『子』、『氣』這兩個最簡明的概念就可以完美地定義
: 出一套圍棋規則,那麼我們為什麼還要費盡心機去定義『空』、『目』、『地』、『點』
: 這些不必要且含混的概念,進而創造另一套規則?
: 下面來回答本題,以下內容不少來自陳祖源《圍棋規則演變史》,由於手邊沒有原書,不
: 能一一具引。
: 要回答這個問題,首先要明白兩點:1、還棋頭是怎麼來的,2、怎麼樣判斷一個規則是好
: 還是壞。
: 第一,還棋頭是怎麼來的?
我個人對於還棋頭的理解
我想大多數人都跟我一樣沒下過還棋頭的圍棋
先不管背後的邏輯是什麼,如果把還棋頭跟現代規則比較的話
還棋頭就相當於盤面上多活一塊棋,就要多貼兩目
稍微假想一下,造成的影響:
1) 策略上要盡可能分斷對手
切斷對方自己現賺兩目
馬上回到當湖10局時代的亂戰圍棋
2) 打入、點33非常白目
點33等於是把自己分斷,現虧兩目
地溝流消失
3) 許多定石會消失
有些定石自己的棋型會東一塊西一塊的
還棋頭就虧大了
最反對還棋頭的應該是中國職業棋手吧
花了幾十年的時間才打趴日本追平韓國
恢復還棋頭的話世界排名都要洗牌了
--
: 上面關於越南圍棋那篇
: 底下推文有棋友在討論中國古規則
: 講到中國古規則
: 就很想聊聊還棋頭
: 雖然聊這個很像自討苦吃
: 感覺一定會被噓
: 但我是真心認為 還棋頭和座子是不一樣的
: 座子應該廢除 因限制了圍棋變化
: 但還棋頭其實是讓圍棋更加邏輯自治的規則
: 以下文章轉自知乎網站上:
: https://www.zhihu.com/question/36575179
: 一篇關於還棋頭的討論中
: 我認為寫得最好的一篇回覆
: 不想看簡體字者可直接往下拉
: 我做了繁簡轉換並校對兩次
: 以下文長
: * * * * * *
: 標題:現代職業圍棋是否應該恢復中國古代正統圍棋規則中的「還棋頭」(數子法)規則
: ?
: 回答:
: 本人的回答是否定的,不應該被取消。而且相對於現代規則,它應該是更“好”的。還棋
: 頭相比現代規則幾乎沒有缺點,但具有現代規則不具備的邏輯自洽性和簡潔之美。
: 現代圍棋廢除還棋頭,屬於古代信息流通不暢,造成的一個巨大悲劇和笑話,足以成為傳
: 播學上一個精彩案例。
: 先說一句核心的論點:如果我們用『子』、『氣』這兩個最簡明的概念就可以完美地定義
: 出一套圍棋規則,那麼我們為什麼還要費盡心機去定義『空』、『目』、『地』、『點』
: 這些不必要且含混的概念,進而創造另一套規則?
: 下面來回答本題,以下內容不少來自陳祖源《圍棋規則演變史》,由於手邊沒有原書,不
: 能一一具引。
: 要回答這個問題,首先要明白兩點:1、還棋頭是怎麼來的,2、怎麼樣判斷一個規則是好
: 還是壞。
: 第一,還棋頭是怎麼來的?
我個人對於還棋頭的理解
我想大多數人都跟我一樣沒下過還棋頭的圍棋
先不管背後的邏輯是什麼,如果把還棋頭跟現代規則比較的話
還棋頭就相當於盤面上多活一塊棋,就要多貼兩目
稍微假想一下,造成的影響:
1) 策略上要盡可能分斷對手
切斷對方自己現賺兩目
馬上回到當湖10局時代的亂戰圍棋
2) 打入、點33非常白目
點33等於是把自己分斷,現虧兩目
地溝流消失
3) 許多定石會消失
有些定石自己的棋型會東一塊西一塊的
還棋頭就虧大了
最反對還棋頭的應該是中國職業棋手吧
花了幾十年的時間才打趴日本追平韓國
恢復還棋頭的話世界排名都要洗牌了
--
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