遊戲開發商Wolfire針對Steam平台發起反壟 - Steam

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By Steve
at 2021-11-20T20:14

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Judge dismisses antitrust lawsuit filed against Valve
https://www.pcgamer.com/judge-dismisses-antitrust-lawsuit-filed-against-valve/

之前Valve向法官要求駁回,因為證據完全不足。

最新消息就是法官同意了Valve的看法,所以這個反壟斷案被駁回了。

駁回的理由在這

The ruling, available in full on CourtListener, says Wolfire's lawsuit falls
short on two separate points. First, the claim that Valve is illegally tying
the Steam store to the platform—essentially, using the near-monopoly of
Steam as a library, launcher, and social media platform to force people to
buy games through the Steam storefront—is rejected because the allegations
in the lawsuit suggest that the Steam platform and storefront are in fact "a
single product within the integrated game platform and transaction market."

Wolfire's lawsuit also claims that Valve uses its near-monopoly to charge an
excessive fee to sellers—30%—that wouldn't be sustainable in a competitive
marketplace. That claim resulted in some interesting conversations earlier
this year, but the judge rejected the argument, noting that Valve's take has
remained unchanged throughout Steam's history, even as other online stores
charging lower percentages have come and gone.

"Therefore, it would appear that the market reality, at least as plead, is
that [Valve's] fee is commensurate with the Steam Platform's value to game
publishers," the ruling states.

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反正大概又涉及什麼法律問題,看有沒有高手要幫大家解惑。

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William avatar
By William
at 2021-11-24T11:17
誰? 靠當鬆棍打廣告嗎?
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2021-11-24T02:34
鬆棍洩師傅
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2021-11-27T17:38
你查標題回去看當初討論就知道了
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2021-11-24T02:34
那時板上討論好多篇呢
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2021-11-27T17:38
開發商告平台壟斷市場? 是不是搞錯了什麼
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2021-11-24T02:34
pc上那麼多平台原本就不可能成案除非只有steam獨佔pc
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-11-27T17:38
覺得定義平台獨佔其實不容易吧 ,如果指收取30%是獨佔行為,那Valve光是提出維護遊戲系統的成本報告,還有同樣的遊戲如刺客教條,都在各平台發行,跟許多慈善包或是賣key網站都買得到這點,都很難讓人下定論說具獨佔行為
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2021-11-24T02:34
steam也沒有禁止賣家在其他平台販售你要怎麼告壟斷,更何況steam是收費較高的一方,正常被告壟斷的是殺價競爭的一方,但其他平台太廢
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2021-11-27T17:38
Steam一直以來都維持30%都沒變過
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2021-11-24T02:34
steam每天平均活躍用戶五千六百萬人維護伺服器這些費用steam也沒像家機有收月費你就能連線對戰了
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2021-11-27T17:38
訟棍本來就沒希望能贏,他就是要跟你打爛仗打到你煩,逼你和解開特權,萬一再凹到個神奇法官他就賺翻了
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2021-11-24T02:34
喔喔 原來是之前版上文章~看了一下 回憶都來了~XD 看到髒東西
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2021-11-27T17:38
看到分享仔差點沒笑死 跟別人乞討說是分享XD
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2021-11-24T02:34
Steam太霸道,司法部怎麼不像當年告微軟分拆一樣去告steam
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2021-11-27T17:38
當年微軟被告了後就軟了,才興起了google跟apple。
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2021-11-24T02:34
說他壟斷的是看不起EA、BZ、UBI等等公司嗎?
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-11-27T17:38
Steam和微軟比 G胖睡覺都會偷笑
William avatar
By William
at 2021-11-24T02:34
估計就是以法律戰來拉扯~有拚有機會?
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2021-11-27T17:38
steam不是上市公司光這點很多法條都拿她沒辦法啊
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2021-11-24T02:34
微軟用系統綁IE所以被告到軟,但steam本質上就跟這差滿多的,我覺得本質上不同大概是關鍵吧 怎麼樣都沒辦法
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-11-27T17:38
Valve也用Half-life跟Portal綁Steam。
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2021-11-24T02:34
馬力歐也綁任天堂阿
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2021-11-27T17:38
XGP那精美的訂閱數你要說STEAM壟斷很難
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2021-11-24T02:34
Half-life跟Portal是Valve的 綁自家平台有啥問題= =
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2021-11-27T17:38
這是遊戲 而IE可是上網用軟體
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2021-11-24T02:34
他家的遊戲 他想上架哪邊Store當然是看他高興就好
George avatar
By George
at 2021-11-27T17:38
傻眼的推文
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2021-11-24T02:34
為什麼可以綁遊戲卻不能綁上網軟體?
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2021-11-27T17:38
因為微軟是賣作業系統不是賣上網軟體
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2021-11-24T02:34
鬆棍謝師傅XD
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2021-11-27T17:38
BZ遊戲也掛自家啟動 EGS遊戲也掛自家啟動 要講遊戲綁平台那一堆人都這樣
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2021-11-24T02:34
微軟沒公司能比 光市值就屌虐 技術也屌虐 成就更別論哪家能比
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2021-11-27T17:38
不玩遊戲不會死微軟出問題網路就癱瘓了
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2021-11-24T02:34
蘋果
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2021-11-27T17:38
會不會有人出來告微軟OS壟斷XDD
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2021-11-24T02:34
不是,如果你買的是Half-life實體版,那就沒有綁Valve
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2021-11-27T17:38
按邏輯來說,你不在steam上面買half-life,卻還要跟steam綁在一起,這樣應該才算吧?
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2021-11-24T02:34
快告 鍵盤滑鼠綁PC,控制器綁主機,自家遊戲綁自家平台,三個選項任選
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2021-11-27T17:38
順便告ios綁iphone 還有老馬薩爾達綁任天堂
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2021-11-24T02:34
反正這邊主要是 第二個駁回理由吧
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2021-11-27T17:38
法官主要駁回理由是 steam是一直以來都抽30%沒變過即使其他平台抽更低 steam也沒有壓價競爭
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2021-11-24T02:34
由此可見 steam抽這麼多展現在其平台其他價值上白話點就是 steam抽比你多 開發者還選steam顯然就是你們其他平台就是比較爛
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2021-11-27T17:38
法官認證的:在座的各位都是__
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2021-11-24T02:34
垃圾
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2021-11-27T17:38
某a看到這消息會不會大怒呢 顆顆
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2021-11-24T02:34
總之那些開發發行商就是賤,想要steam的曝光跟玩家,又不想被steam抽成
John avatar
By John
at 2021-11-27T17:38
當初告steam的理由就站不住腳了,法官駁回不意外
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2021-11-24T02:34
steam就是對玩家十分友善的平台 沒辦法
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2021-11-27T17:38
世界唯一右一鍵退款
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2021-11-24T02:34
抽30%又不是從玩家身上抽 喊自己佛心的也沒看過更便宜
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2021-11-27T17:38
這些都講到爛了 這三成能做的投入還真不少
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2021-11-24T02:34
開發哀哀叫真的可以不用選STEAM不上steam的 非平台旗下開發的也不少
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2021-11-27T17:38
下面一位~~
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2021-11-24T02:34
Steam目前敗仗好像只有歐盟地區價格沒有統一
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2021-11-27T17:38
沒有啦,高手只有你啦,原始是你po的,現在也是你帶起這個話題的,就像我說的,真的只有你啦,沒有其他高手了
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2021-11-24T02:34
我要是G胖看到你在版上對於Steam不懈的捍衛,肯定會淚流滿面的阿!幾乎所有對steam有一絲不利的內容,都是靠著您以努力以正視聽了,這裡真的不能沒有你。沒有人的法律素養跟對steam市場的調查比你還深入了,我建議公司至少要撥收益的一部分給你作為忠貞精誠的支持。
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2021-11-27T17:38
說的好像我能決定法官怎判一樣
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2021-11-24T02:34
獨立製作公司們也該他媽的醒醒了,不接受大Steam慷慨的offer還妄想造次,簡直是小蝦米博大鯨魚,可笑可笑,最後淪為被法官駁回的下場,這下這群遊戲製作者們也該清醒了,好好做遊戲,別他媽搞些有的沒有的。
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2021-11-27T17:38
這樣也能崩潰阿
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2021-11-24T02:34
Steam勝訴有人崩成這樣XD 是哪個獨立開發商阿 笑死
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2021-11-27T17:38
為啥有人崩潰
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2021-11-24T02:34
就e粉啊
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2021-11-27T17:38
真的只有某G你在崩潰啊笑死
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2021-11-24T02:34
崩潰成這樣是在騰訊還是epic上班嗎
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2021-11-27T17:38
好奇多少薪水可以請一個人在社群上專門崩潰
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-11-24T02:34
壟斷是有硬條件的 不是你"覺得"就算 法院判還要崩潰
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2021-11-27T17:38
那何必上法院 反正就只有你想聽的是對的
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2021-11-24T02:34
之前epic判決就說了,你不能因為別人開創了一個市場就說他壟斷
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2021-11-27T17:38
笑死了,看完前三行就不想看了,這什麼蠢問題因為steam商店一定要使用steam平台,所以壟斷? 不爽自己去開商店阿XDDD
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2021-11-24T02:34
所以某G到底在公三小有人看得懂嗎
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2021-11-27T17:38
第二點更好笑,不爽被抽30%你可以去其它平台賣(某Epic表示steam從頭到尾都是抽30%
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2021-11-24T02:34
這才叫自由市場,用這兩個理由去告壟斷根本是笑話..
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By Ina
at 2021-11-27T17:38
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