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耶耶我也來回一篇賺P幣 \0w0/
背景敘述一下,
原po美服玩家,FPS新手,LOL則是Beta就開始玩了(有King Rammus skin <3)
這次OW已購買起源版。
目前個人評價是不錯但可以更好~
好...下面回覆一下s版友的論點.
: 就遊戲性來說,OW比起LOL,CS,TF2
: OW真的更吃團隊組合
: 其實沒坦是小事,沒補會讓隊伍失去續戰力
: 就算再強的隊友也要花時間去找補包吃
: 如果隊伍有隻路西歐,整場都不切靈氣也能讓勝率大大提昇
: 大家都同意OW的人設,技能特殊性是一大賣點
: 正因如此,玩不到自己喜愛玩的角色更讓人沮喪
同意OW吃組合,不太同意LOL不吃組合(等等提到)
CS個人覺得不太算是競爭者,TF2就...我只看過實況,還是別評論來的好 XD
: 是要堅持自己喜愛的DVA.半藏,然後輸掉
: 還是補齊隊伍的不足,然後...還是輸掉,心情更差
其實這點跟LOL不是一樣嗎?
你進來五個main中路的,你要馬堅持下去,玩下路勒布朗配阿璃,然後上路馬爾
把自己隊伍的勝率降低...這點跟OW完全一樣啊。
LOL也一堆補位(因為main路被搶),但看到搶走自己位子的玩家玩超爛的例子啊。
心情一樣差不是嗎? 我覺得這點來講兩個完全一樣 @@
OW/LOL都是團隊遊戲,你貫徹個人主義就一定會拉下團隊勝率。
: 這遊戲的確有角色的克制性在
: 當對方有法拉,你們隊上勢必要有76或狙擊打掉
: 對方有狙擊,就得出狙擊,閃光,猩猩去康特
: 但如果隊上的攻擊位不去替換適合的角色,而你是輔助
: 是該換出一隻攻擊角,然後看隊上沒輔助,還是輸掉
: 或是我今天根本不想玩克制角色,想玩自己愛的
: 然後看著壁壘和狙擊大剌剌架在正面卻還打不掉
就這點來講OW比LOL更好不是嗎?
因為你可以在遊戲中換康特角,LOL可沒這選擇。
更不用說OW如果隊友願意溝通,你還可以請DPS玩得比較不好的玩家換個坦或是補,
然後自己拿攻擊/防禦手。
LOL如果你被逼去輔助位然後中路送了10次頭,
就算人家有心想換也來不及了好嗎...只能ff20
就這點來看,假設如果玩家完全拒絕溝通,只玩自己想玩的
LOL: 你可以在遊戲開始前最多選擇補一個位,然後祈禱另外四位不要死太慘
OW: 你可以在遊戲開始或是遊戲中選擇補一個位,可以換康特角,然後祈禱另外四位
不要死太慘。
就最慘的情況來說,OW完勝LOL啊..(這也是為啥LOL一樣很多人玩到很生氣)
更不用說如果隊友願意溝通 (可能不多,但我有遇過,而且我自己也是 0w0b)
OW提供可以在不同場合換上不同英雄的系統絕對是大勝LOL。
: PLAY FOR FUN, PLAY FOR WIN
: 大家都不可否認打贏會比打輸更有FUN
: 尤其是雙方實力差距過大時
: 進攻方不會攻,可以一次一次嘗試,可能賽到一波(或是一次一次打到絕望)
: 防守方不會守...一波掉A點,一波掉B點然後就沒了
: LOL,大家都已經有對每路的職責的共識
: 就算我想玩自己想玩的,SUP卡特,上路汎,可能還是會贏
: 但OW不行
這點我覺得你拿來相比的可能不太對。
假設雙方實力完全一樣,你拿sup卡特+上路汎的勝率會是如何呢?
一定很慘,因為實力一樣的對方不會給你有這個時間和機會去彌補你角色的缺陷
如果你是指用自己實力彌補那就沒得討論了,因為OW也是可以一人靠實力彌補的。
在實力相等狀況下,你去選擇劣勢角色就是在送掉自己勝率。
這點不管是LOL或OW都是一樣的。
這不是CS讓你可以神狙一挑十(因為角色基礎一樣)
而且,而且,
LOL過了多久才確定現在這meta啊?
S1最熱門的中路可包括了艾希和好運姐呢。
更不用說一開始打野位子根本沒幾人,打rank也是一堆2/1/2的分配。
這種模式好用嗎? 不好用阿,所以後來才被EU流取代。
而不懂得EU流比較好用的人,自然勝率就會比較低。
這跟現在OW不懂得坦補DD分配的人,他的勝率一定會比較低。
但是時間經過,一定會有一個固定的模式出來
而你想要PFW就是用這個模式。
: CSGO,我不會用AWP,還可以拿AK,衝鋒槍,甚至霰彈
: 一個好隊友也能帶領隊友勝利(雖然對手也是..)
: 輸了也沒什麼感覺,就是技不如人,然後再打新的一場
: 但OW不是
我不太確定為何CS和OW輸了會有不同感覺...但大概就各人觀感不同?
OW裡我也不太會玩DD啊,因為我FPS超爛,瞄準爆頭對我來講根本是天方夜譚
(我曾經因為半藏連續7箭都打不到對面的攔路豬被我朋友們笑了一個晚上...)
但是我還是可以拿慈悲,拿D.Va,拿萊因哈特阿。
這跟CS拿不同槍不是一樣嗎? @_@
: TF2,12打12,我也是能玩自己想玩的,跟對手激烈碰撞
: 我玩TF2也從沒感受過壓力,一直都很開心
: 但是OW玩起來就是有壓力在
: 就算是AT多排還是會有這種問題在
: 除非是六個會玩的人一起排,然後一場一場把對面虐到QUIT
: 最後就變暴雪英霸囉
呃....這些有點太主觀我就不多做評論了。
可能OW兩個字給你很多壓力? (被打
老實說我覺得OW完美嗎? 才不呢,它離一個完美的FPS遊戲還離的遠勒 XD
但認真覺得問題不是出在很多版友們提起的"噢因為他太團隊了"
如果你是覺得OW是內容還可以再增加一點那我倒是點頭同意。
我也希望能有更多的地圖、角色、和遊戲目標。
不過個人不太擔心,因為我並不覺得BZ會把這21個角色和12張地圖推出後就雙手高舉說
我們不幹了 XD
我也同意說他的組隊系統爛爛的
打到一半有人跳走的話你也只能5v6打下去...嗯...就跟LOL中離一樣囉 XD
希望未來能有回報機制。
畢竟這是買斷制的,回報應該會比LOL有效許多。
溝通方面的話,LOL有打字+ping,OW是打字和mic...
我自己是蠻常開mic的啦...也有不少路人會開。
常常打一打就聊了起來 XD
而且!!
你會發現一件事情!!
就是當全隊沒人玩坦時,只要女生開mic喊說我們缺坦啦,下一秒就看到五隻猩猩出現了
比魔術還神奇!! (欸欸
--
背景敘述一下,
原po美服玩家,FPS新手,LOL則是Beta就開始玩了(有King Rammus skin <3)
這次OW已購買起源版。
目前個人評價是不錯但可以更好~
好...下面回覆一下s版友的論點.
: 就遊戲性來說,OW比起LOL,CS,TF2
: OW真的更吃團隊組合
: 其實沒坦是小事,沒補會讓隊伍失去續戰力
: 就算再強的隊友也要花時間去找補包吃
: 如果隊伍有隻路西歐,整場都不切靈氣也能讓勝率大大提昇
: 大家都同意OW的人設,技能特殊性是一大賣點
: 正因如此,玩不到自己喜愛玩的角色更讓人沮喪
同意OW吃組合,不太同意LOL不吃組合(等等提到)
CS個人覺得不太算是競爭者,TF2就...我只看過實況,還是別評論來的好 XD
: 是要堅持自己喜愛的DVA.半藏,然後輸掉
: 還是補齊隊伍的不足,然後...還是輸掉,心情更差
其實這點跟LOL不是一樣嗎?
你進來五個main中路的,你要馬堅持下去,玩下路勒布朗配阿璃,然後上路馬爾
把自己隊伍的勝率降低...這點跟OW完全一樣啊。
LOL也一堆補位(因為main路被搶),但看到搶走自己位子的玩家玩超爛的例子啊。
心情一樣差不是嗎? 我覺得這點來講兩個完全一樣 @@
OW/LOL都是團隊遊戲,你貫徹個人主義就一定會拉下團隊勝率。
: 這遊戲的確有角色的克制性在
: 當對方有法拉,你們隊上勢必要有76或狙擊打掉
: 對方有狙擊,就得出狙擊,閃光,猩猩去康特
: 但如果隊上的攻擊位不去替換適合的角色,而你是輔助
: 是該換出一隻攻擊角,然後看隊上沒輔助,還是輸掉
: 或是我今天根本不想玩克制角色,想玩自己愛的
: 然後看著壁壘和狙擊大剌剌架在正面卻還打不掉
就這點來講OW比LOL更好不是嗎?
因為你可以在遊戲中換康特角,LOL可沒這選擇。
更不用說OW如果隊友願意溝通,你還可以請DPS玩得比較不好的玩家換個坦或是補,
然後自己拿攻擊/防禦手。
LOL如果你被逼去輔助位然後中路送了10次頭,
就算人家有心想換也來不及了好嗎...只能ff20
就這點來看,假設如果玩家完全拒絕溝通,只玩自己想玩的
LOL: 你可以在遊戲開始前最多選擇補一個位,然後祈禱另外四位不要死太慘
OW: 你可以在遊戲開始或是遊戲中選擇補一個位,可以換康特角,然後祈禱另外四位
不要死太慘。
就最慘的情況來說,OW完勝LOL啊..(這也是為啥LOL一樣很多人玩到很生氣)
更不用說如果隊友願意溝通 (可能不多,但我有遇過,而且我自己也是 0w0b)
OW提供可以在不同場合換上不同英雄的系統絕對是大勝LOL。
: PLAY FOR FUN, PLAY FOR WIN
: 大家都不可否認打贏會比打輸更有FUN
: 尤其是雙方實力差距過大時
: 進攻方不會攻,可以一次一次嘗試,可能賽到一波(或是一次一次打到絕望)
: 防守方不會守...一波掉A點,一波掉B點然後就沒了
: LOL,大家都已經有對每路的職責的共識
: 就算我想玩自己想玩的,SUP卡特,上路汎,可能還是會贏
: 但OW不行
這點我覺得你拿來相比的可能不太對。
假設雙方實力完全一樣,你拿sup卡特+上路汎的勝率會是如何呢?
一定很慘,因為實力一樣的對方不會給你有這個時間和機會去彌補你角色的缺陷
如果你是指用自己實力彌補那就沒得討論了,因為OW也是可以一人靠實力彌補的。
在實力相等狀況下,你去選擇劣勢角色就是在送掉自己勝率。
這點不管是LOL或OW都是一樣的。
這不是CS讓你可以神狙一挑十(因為角色基礎一樣)
而且,而且,
LOL過了多久才確定現在這meta啊?
S1最熱門的中路可包括了艾希和好運姐呢。
更不用說一開始打野位子根本沒幾人,打rank也是一堆2/1/2的分配。
這種模式好用嗎? 不好用阿,所以後來才被EU流取代。
而不懂得EU流比較好用的人,自然勝率就會比較低。
這跟現在OW不懂得坦補DD分配的人,他的勝率一定會比較低。
但是時間經過,一定會有一個固定的模式出來
而你想要PFW就是用這個模式。
: CSGO,我不會用AWP,還可以拿AK,衝鋒槍,甚至霰彈
: 一個好隊友也能帶領隊友勝利(雖然對手也是..)
: 輸了也沒什麼感覺,就是技不如人,然後再打新的一場
: 但OW不是
我不太確定為何CS和OW輸了會有不同感覺...但大概就各人觀感不同?
OW裡我也不太會玩DD啊,因為我FPS超爛,瞄準爆頭對我來講根本是天方夜譚
(我曾經因為半藏連續7箭都打不到對面的攔路豬被我朋友們笑了一個晚上...)
但是我還是可以拿慈悲,拿D.Va,拿萊因哈特阿。
這跟CS拿不同槍不是一樣嗎? @_@
: TF2,12打12,我也是能玩自己想玩的,跟對手激烈碰撞
: 我玩TF2也從沒感受過壓力,一直都很開心
: 但是OW玩起來就是有壓力在
: 就算是AT多排還是會有這種問題在
: 除非是六個會玩的人一起排,然後一場一場把對面虐到QUIT
: 最後就變暴雪英霸囉
呃....這些有點太主觀我就不多做評論了。
可能OW兩個字給你很多壓力? (被打
老實說我覺得OW完美嗎? 才不呢,它離一個完美的FPS遊戲還離的遠勒 XD
但認真覺得問題不是出在很多版友們提起的"噢因為他太團隊了"
如果你是覺得OW是內容還可以再增加一點那我倒是點頭同意。
我也希望能有更多的地圖、角色、和遊戲目標。
不過個人不太擔心,因為我並不覺得BZ會把這21個角色和12張地圖推出後就雙手高舉說
我們不幹了 XD
我也同意說他的組隊系統爛爛的
打到一半有人跳走的話你也只能5v6打下去...嗯...就跟LOL中離一樣囉 XD
希望未來能有回報機制。
畢竟這是買斷制的,回報應該會比LOL有效許多。
溝通方面的話,LOL有打字+ping,OW是打字和mic...
我自己是蠻常開mic的啦...也有不少路人會開。
常常打一打就聊了起來 XD
而且!!
你會發現一件事情!!
就是當全隊沒人玩坦時,只要女生開mic喊說我們缺坦啦,下一秒就看到五隻猩猩出現了
比魔術還神奇!! (欸欸
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