超老人回鍋前提問 有關技能 - 線上

By Queena
at 2015-08-20T10:27
at 2015-08-20T10:27
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就恕我稍微倚老賣老一下了。
※ 引述《belmontc (あなたのハートに天誅♥)》之銘言
: 去問原廠,不過以遊戲設定來看的話
: 反擊如果練到R1
: 是對方攻擊力兩倍+自身攻擊力150%為攻擊力.暴擊傷害 +10%
: 如果反擊無CD或是CD極短的話,你會發現打一些樁王一直反擊就好
: 比方說斯卡哈洞穴裡的梅魯太太巴掌三段打...
: 如果可以連續按,然後你剛好這三次都有反擊就好,
: 他會被打將近(30-100X2+自身普攻傷害X1.5)以上的傷害
: 重點是你啥都沒事,你覺得這樣合理嗎XD
第一,從來沒有連續使用反擊這回事,
瑪奇的舊設定是,連續使用相同技能會有類似CD的共同僵硬時間,
只是這CD是可以利用切換技能使用來取消的,
舊時代近戰技能迴圈,
除了風車以外沒有那招是連續在用同一技能的,
一定是重風重或重反防之類,
魔反用初法除了讓怪物衝過來,很重要的也是取消這個僵硬。
此外,反擊的威力根本沒有你想的強大,
反擊數值的設計是依據G3以前玩家貧弱的能力去設計的,
那個時候玩家血量有個300就不錯,
怪物攻擊力超過50玩家就要小心應付,
而玩家攻擊力也普遍只有100到150左右,
怪物血量破千也不多,
所以面對血量1000的敵人反擊一次有200到300算是還過得去的輸出,
但後來怪物血量越來越誇張,攻擊力卻相對成長緩慢,
玩家反過來血量增幅有限,攻擊力卻是數倍增長,
導致在反擊的倍率下實質傷害有玩家200%就很不錯了。
: 再按這回者,反擊如果可以短到剩三秒或一秒CD
: 我想訓練所最高中級應該人人都能輕鬆打了...那這遊戲還有啥難度可言?
: 再說回到舊版設定的反擊 如果你有注意的話 以前的反擊準備時間也很長
: 最明顯的就是去開舊影片自己數秒看看
: youtube上面還是有很多G1-3的舊影片或者可以開寵物打地城看看
: 因為寵物的技能還是使用準備時間系統而非CD制
: 我自己用骨龍 反擊R6 準備時間約4~5秒沒仔細算
: 你會發現以前的反擊根本也沒好到哪去
我想你是G13後才比較有接觸吧。
首先舊時代反擊的準備時間是1.5秒,
我從G3開始玩最好會不知道這種以前要斤斤計較的技能準備時間……是需要看什麼影片啦。
除非你是無腦連按否則從來沒有長達4到5秒過,
反擊1到3秒破壞遊戲平衡?我都不知道我從G3開始玩反擊有變神招過,
而且反擊回到以前狀態是0CD但有準備時間1.5秒,
你那隻眼睛看到我說反擊要能連發過?
況且就算撇開遠程攻擊,瑪奇也沒幾隻怪會乖乖普攻,
再加上圍毆,反擊0CD0準備也不會變多神。
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By Harry
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By Franklin
at 2015-08-28T23:51
at 2015-08-28T23:51
了不合理的7秒超長CD(其他近戰頂多2到3秒),然後點出
事實就有搞不清楚狀況的人來扯反擊沒CD會變神招。

By Callum
at 2015-08-30T02:35
at 2015-08-30T02:35
這有什麼好替C4貓護航的。

By Franklin
at 2015-09-03T07:10
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By Yedda
at 2015-09-03T22:10
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By Todd Johnson
at 2015-09-05T01:16
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By Aaliyah
at 2015-09-06T02:11
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By Damian
at 2015-09-06T05:39
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?

By Daniel
at 2015-09-08T08:40
at 2015-09-08T08:40
廢招啦,當蜘蛛木乃伊是什麼。

By Genevieve
at 2015-09-11T13:17
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By Cara
at 2015-09-15T18:40
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By Regina
at 2015-09-19T00:28
at 2015-09-19T00:28
,還低傷害、使用方式被動不能主動出擊、僅限一對一單
挑,一但對圍毆就廢掉的技能,會因為CD短變神技?

By Rachel
at 2015-09-20T23:25
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By Tristan Cohan
at 2015-09-23T05:16
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By Sierra Rose
at 2015-09-24T23:10
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By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2015-09-29T08:18
at 2015-09-29T08:18
高不知道神在那的情況,真是神技啊你腦補的反擊。

By Annie
at 2015-10-03T06:02
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By Kelly
at 2015-10-06T09:04
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By Blanche
at 2015-10-11T05:46
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By Gilbert
at 2015-10-11T19:02
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By Oscar
at 2015-10-12T16:34
at 2015-10-12T16:34
今天諸多不便 等於超廢招 我才覺得你是有多愛反擊阿?

By Hedy
at 2015-10-17T06:39
at 2015-10-17T06:39
攻,反擊真是神。

By Brianna
at 2015-10-20T00:02
at 2015-10-20T00:02
礎上,那當然用不到其他技能,今天反擊是「本來1.5秒準
備就使用率低」,結果不知道搞毛改成「7秒CD」,講個事
實你就覺得不爽拼命跳針腦補把反擊當成神技,這啥鬼邏
輯。

By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2015-10-22T10:31
at 2015-10-22T10:31
了,不能理解為何要給廢招更多限制」,看在你不爽的眼
裡就變成「無限期堅持反擊0CD超強化」,中文不是這樣看
的先生。

By Frederica
at 2015-10-26T05:45
at 2015-10-26T05:45
時間1.5秒也不會讓它變什麼神招,你倒是很恨反擊嘛,就
覺得它超強冷卻7秒應該死好,任何人不得有丁點意見否則
你就不爽覺得不合理。

By Eden
at 2015-10-26T13:08
at 2015-10-26T13:08
準備時間也很長要4、5秒,普攻三連打中0CD的反擊有可能
連續對應三次發動,自己把反擊無限神化再說這會破壞平
衡……

By Lucy
at 2015-10-26T18:14
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By Zora
at 2015-10-27T02:13
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By Bethany
at 2015-10-31T02:49
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By Donna
at 2015-11-02T16:20
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By Olga
at 2015-11-04T20:35
at 2015-11-04T20:35
強 結果又跳針到全部變我說是神技? 張冠李戴阿?

By Callum
at 2015-11-08T18:07
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By Lily
at 2015-11-12T06:27
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By Dinah
at 2015-11-13T21:24
at 2015-11-13T21:24
這不就典型的 T imba, nerf Z, L2P?

By Ida
at 2015-11-17T23:36
at 2015-11-17T23:36
這就C4改的,不怪C4怪你嗎?

By Thomas
at 2015-11-21T18:54
at 2015-11-21T18:54
比方說食人妖和巨魔像動輒一兩百的傷害

By Irma
at 2015-11-25T16:11
at 2015-11-25T16:11
就已經不是主要的輸出技了,連點火穿心都還比較常用
現在就真的完美技能吞下去點回C就可以擺著了

By Hazel
at 2015-11-25T20:21
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By Queena
at 2015-11-29T06:19
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By Doris
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By Kama
at 2015-12-01T21:01
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By Andy
at 2015-12-06T09:20
at 2015-12-06T09:20
被打臉以前就是1.5秒的,是誰?

By Vanessa
at 2015-12-09T21:23
at 2015-12-09T21:23

By Necoo
at 2015-12-12T18:16
at 2015-12-12T18:16
所會輕鬆打的,是誰?

By Eden
at 2015-12-14T05:15
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By Erin
at 2015-12-14T14:24
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By Ursula
at 2015-12-18T02:23
at 2015-12-18T02:23
輕鬆打啊。

By Hedy
at 2015-12-20T00:57
at 2015-12-20T00:57
我想訓練所最高中級應該人人都能輕鬆打了...那這遊戲還
有啥難度可言?」某人原句,聽說他以前玩瑪奇反擊準備時
間4、5秒喔。

By Joseph
at 2015-12-24T01:48
at 2015-12-24T01:48
當初最理想的連攜是用冰反打熊

By Heather
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By Leila
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By Hardy
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By Jack
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By Enid
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…

By Delia
at 2016-01-05T16:09
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By Jack
at 2016-01-06T00:19
at 2016-01-06T00:19
你看我也只拿得出賽高那種不入流的東西出來講了

By Sarah
at 2016-01-06T11:35
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By Una
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By Emily
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By Mason
at 2016-01-11T03:41
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,結果還是太天真了 XDD

By Olive
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By Ina
at 2016-01-17T04:33
at 2016-01-17T04:33
回去看到五六十歲的老太婆再投胎就三四百大傷好可怕

By Lydia
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By Lydia
at 2016-01-20T07:15
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By James
at 2016-01-22T10:07
at 2016-01-22T10:07
我在旁邊配叮叮叮的音...

By John
at 2016-01-25T02:35
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By Bethany
at 2016-01-25T21:36
at 2016-01-25T21:36
可憐的G3龍現在大概都被一拳殺了吧

By Hedy
at 2016-01-27T15:46
at 2016-01-27T15:46
連野怪都妖受聰明。

By Caitlin
at 2016-01-27T21:22
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By Vanessa
at 2016-01-30T17:16
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By Daph Bay
at 2016-02-01T20:52
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By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2016-02-06T16:59
at 2016-02-06T16:59
成現在這樣,方便是方便卻違反設定又沒味道……

By Jacky
at 2016-02-09T22:43
at 2016-02-09T22:43
任選地點就算了,24小時開還挺鳥的

By Margaret
at 2016-02-14T03:50
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?

By Edwina
at 2016-02-18T18:03
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By Quanna
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By Connor
at 2016-02-21T16:47
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By Charlotte
at 2016-02-23T04:08
at 2016-02-23T04:08
返回卷嗎……

By Faithe
at 2016-02-25T05:36
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By Madame
at 2016-02-28T00:00
at 2016-02-28T00:00
,已經用不到房屋卷了說…

By Agatha
at 2016-03-02T19:13
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By Hamiltion
at 2016-03-06T14:22
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By Eartha
at 2016-03-11T10:49
at 2016-03-11T10:49
提高反擊的輸出效率還有降低反擊的持續時間. 減少耐久消耗

By Frederica
at 2016-03-13T08:20
at 2016-03-13T08:20

By Wallis
at 2016-03-16T22:21
at 2016-03-16T22:21
確保不死,而冰反正好是當時擁有最佳流程的連續技

By Zanna
at 2016-03-18T09:52
at 2016-03-18T09:52
再成長一些還會再加入風車等技能,然後就幾乎不反擊了

By Rebecca
at 2016-03-20T17:48
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By Mason
at 2016-03-23T15:42
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By Zanna
at 2016-03-23T19:00
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By Dora
at 2016-03-25T17:09
at 2016-03-25T17:09
畢竟冰反火反利用的都是高傷怪的輸出

By Susan
at 2016-03-28T05:05
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By Connor
at 2016-03-29T02:36
at 2016-03-29T02:36
…

By Agatha
at 2016-03-31T11:32
at 2016-03-31T11:32
戰術意義喔,你有看過三百年前的貝卡是怎麼打的嗎

By Yedda
at 2016-04-04T05:12
at 2016-04-04T05:12

By Doris
at 2016-04-09T01:56
at 2016-04-09T01:56
甚至是我的站位 都可以保持在優勢的位置

By Sarah
at 2016-04-09T07:11
at 2016-04-09T07:11

By Yedda
at 2016-04-13T13:04
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By Zanna
at 2016-04-15T02:49
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By Daph Bay
at 2016-04-18T14:06
at 2016-04-18T14:06
所以現在應該防禦後猛擊到底就好了
是也有看過影片猛擊開到底硬吃PD怪的啦

By Zanna
at 2016-04-19T04:54
at 2016-04-19T04:54
擊力遠大於我的防禦……

By Wallis
at 2016-04-19T08:30
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By Andy
at 2016-04-24T01:28
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By Christine
at 2016-04-24T13:45
at 2016-04-24T13:45
的怪物

By Faithe
at 2016-04-26T19:00
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By Isla
at 2016-04-29T15:02
at 2016-04-29T15:02
我現在的水準大概只能打打兩百年前的東西吧

By Jacob
at 2016-05-03T03:58
at 2016-05-03T03:58

By David
at 2016-05-04T19:48
at 2016-05-04T19:48
凱歐巨魔像等級啊。

By Odelette
at 2016-05-09T19:03
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By Hazel
at 2016-05-14T16:21
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By Kumar
at 2016-05-18T02:49
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By Catherine
at 2016-05-20T16:34
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By Agnes
at 2016-05-24T20:42
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By Agnes
at 2016-05-29T19:14
at 2016-05-29T19:14

By Queena
at 2016-06-01T00:33
at 2016-06-01T00:33
中間穿插一個防禦可以決定我在戰場中的位置 沒甚麼不好

By Todd Johnson
at 2016-06-05T17:35
at 2016-06-05T17:35

By Lucy
at 2016-06-10T07:54
at 2016-06-10T07:54
果改成攻擊+3我也會覺得莫名奇妙啊啊啊。

By Jessica
at 2016-06-13T04:04
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By Andrew
at 2016-06-15T19:34
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By Kelly
at 2016-06-17T04:55
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By Rosalind
at 2016-06-21T17:29
at 2016-06-21T17:29
差不多就是滿分一百拿四十分的東西現在剩下八分吧

By Kelly
at 2016-06-23T21:21
at 2016-06-23T21:21
加它血否則等於無效果。

By Xanthe
at 2016-06-26T14:33
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By Ethan
at 2016-06-30T01:17
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By Caroline
at 2016-07-02T00:45
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By Queena
at 2016-07-03T15:24
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By Damian
at 2016-07-06T20:02
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By Cara
at 2016-07-07T21:07
at 2016-07-07T21:07
候自。才會想起有這張牌了。。

By Ivy
at 2016-07-11T20:26
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By Andy
at 2016-07-12T09:34
at 2016-07-12T09:34
但是面對某些狀況總是會習慣性冰反爭取空間

By Ophelia
at 2016-07-16T01:18
at 2016-07-16T01:18
不是技能的問題……

By Lucy
at 2016-07-19T21:47
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By Hazel
at 2016-07-22T17:36
at 2016-07-22T17:36
魔反。

By Zanna
at 2016-07-26T14:02
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By Blanche
at 2016-07-29T06:50
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By Olivia
at 2016-08-03T05:48
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By Daniel
at 2016-08-07T12:39
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連閃兩顆火球好high啊

By Doris
at 2016-08-11T13:25
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By Ivy
at 2016-08-12T17:29
at 2016-08-12T17:29
然後其他人起來踢鬼,剩我一個死在地上冷冰冰

By Caitlin
at 2016-08-13T23:08
at 2016-08-13T23:08
擊XD。

By Tracy
at 2016-08-17T18:39
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By Hedda
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By Kumar
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By Noah
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By James
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By Agatha
at 2016-09-02T13:11
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By William
at 2016-09-06T05:30
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By Andrew
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By Quanna
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By Dorothy
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By Elma
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By Puput
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By Ophelia
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By Jake
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By Damian
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By Margaret
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By Enid
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at 2016-10-06T06:07
……不過我記得被改掉了。
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