老玩家對MH的失望點,整理 - 神魔之塔

By Rosalind
at 2014-05-26T17:24
at 2014-05-26T17:24
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MH要給我錢請給我P幣 感恩
: ======== (1) 亂入卡 ========
: 有人說為了增加卡片的稀有度,亂入卡是好的設計
: 但是很明顯,亂入卡刺激了多少吃幾十顆石頭拼機率玩家
: 從暗妍希,到尼祿,甚至尼祿還沒結束,又來一隻妙妙貓
: MH已經發現,亂入卡所創造的吃石營收,遠比地獄級關卡還要來得多
: 接踵而來的亂入卡,很明顯就是「MH私心大於體貼玩家」的設計
妍希那次時間太短 但再來的關卡呢?
(剛有人水球我說這邊是我記錯了 說研希時間有4~5周
那這部分應該是我記錯了 不過我當時到底花多久打 跟吃多少石
有點沒印象了 所以還是針對尼祿部分做評論就好)
傭兵至少也五星期 這次妙妙貓也大概六星期
亂入卡並不會吃那麼多石好嗎= =
我水傭兵推出那天就開始打 每天有40~50體就刷一次
偶爾用送的石頭回體 打了三個星期還不是打到了?
: ======== (2) 亂改卡 ========
: 上禮拜四改版後,紅心皇后的能力被玩家測試出來有「一波高傷害」的組合
: 詳情請看巴哈的這篇文章:http://ppt.cc/Np5-
: 隔天禮拜五,立刻將紅心皇后的技能改掉,甚至將最小CD由10改成12,
: 卡片雖然是虛擬寶物,但也是玩家花錢購買的商品,怎麼可以在玩家花了錢之後,
: 自行把卡片的能力改弱?
: 甚至改版當天就有抽到很多支紅心皇后,互帶互吃到高技的玩家,情何以堪?
: MH自己也知道這一點,才史無前例地用人面怪鳥來當作補償,似乎藉此滅火。
: 也似乎是成功了,至少在PTT的TOS版,已經沒人在討論紅心皇后被改爛的事情。
: 會不會有下次,誰知道?看到超強卡還想抽嗎?抽了會不會被亂改?
: 或者過六週再次改版,馬上被打臉?這地雷已經埋在很多玩家心裡了。
這部分沒去了解 不護航
: ======== (3) 打臉卡 ========
: 引述一下MH的口號,也是MH給老玩家的承諾:「不會有新卡取代舊卡的情況」
: 這次迪士尼系列,史無前例地出現 (幾乎) 無副作用的三倍攻
: 打臉日月狼快速轉珠的四倍攻 (原本還是5倍,當天就被改掉,最好是「誤植」成5倍)
: 打臉雙子申公豹的「越戰越強,超 (泥馬啦)」
: 打臉木遊、人馬、水光封神的雜色三倍攻,消心珠還能50%多1.5倍攻
: 為了創造一波營收的高峰,過往的承諾已經算個屁了,
: 現在每次改版,就推出超強新卡,先吸引大家狂抽卡,口袋賺飽飽再說,
: 六星期後再改版出新卡繼續打臉就好。
: ============================
痾 我想請問 到底怎樣改版才是好?
一個改版沒有新or更強的技能---->神魔已死
一個改版加了很OP的卡------>MH愛坑玩家錢
舉一個很明顯往弱的方向改版的遊戲 就是LOL
有興趣可以去看看LOL版版友翻譯的PBE、PATCH或紅帖
RIOT的導向就是看到一個很強的英雄 就把他改爛 進冰箱
要不是他在連線或分隊機制還算OK 現在絕對大多數人還是玩三國信長吧
而信長就是著名的"暴力平衡"的例子
好 離題了 回歸MH
沒錯,在這次改版後 暗遊雙子等壓血就是完全宣告死刑
但我是比較好奇到底最近除了一些特殊關 到底還有誰在玩壓血...
硬要說打臉也沒那麼嚴重吧?
此外 依照"現在"怪物的血量 也沒有用新卡壓血可以打 舊卡壓血不能打得吧?
然後說到雜色部分
現在雜色的地位只是提升到跟純色差不多地位(可能還比不上)吧?
當初只有人馬木遊 會有人想用雜色隊嗎? 現在出buff雜色的卡 不是一件好事嗎
再者 人馬、木遊等卡片的功能性還是在 絕對不會被取代掉啊...
更何況有好友給你用 抽不到組好友的 其實也不會壞到哪去啊
然後說到日月狼與快速轉珠 依現在的隊伍強度
復刻要0石通過難度不高吧? 將他視為窮人版的快速高倍功 不好嗎..
總而言之 就是想講一句話
"現在"MH出的關卡 並不會完全讓舊卡已死。
用新卡來打 只是會比較爽而已
如果你要說"現在MH都這樣搞,以後會亂搞不意外" 那我也不知道要說啥了...
: 在改版前,我們公會朋友看到虎克的隊長技跟主動技,很無奈地說了一句
: 「是不是抽不到虎克,以後就不用玩了?關卡打不過去...」
: 也有另一個朋友說
: 「要是我現在練得快要滿等滿技的隊伍,之後關卡因為超強卡片出現而變得超難,
: 連我現在的卡片都打不過去,那我就不想玩了」
: 這些真的都是老玩家的心聲,不管你贊同與否,MH確實在這陣子有非常需要檢討的地方,
: 從越來越多認為MH「吃相難看」的文章就可以知道這個趨勢。
虎克的隊長技就是9倍 但也就只是9倍而已
這只是讓純色起來 讓剋屬隊伍打起來比較不會那麼痛苦
純色隊伍的地位還是在那啊.....
光是北歐+戰場等加成 出來的倍率絕對比虎克好看= =
此外 有件事滿想講的
我一直覺得 並不是今天MH推出了一張或一套什麼系列的卡
就一定要全部都有啊 看看大麥克到現在連巨蟹都沒有(?)
就像地獄 這次打不過 就放棄 等下次你隊伍練起來再打 花費的代價不是更少嗎?
連鴨王那種東西都可以復刻 我是相信很多卡以後都可以在取得啦..
總而言之 現在真的還沒有到一定要新卡 才能繼續打下去的地步
如果現在沒辦法取得的卡或拿不到的卡 就等啊
以MH想要賺錢的想法 一定會有再出現的機會的....
對於新卡不要那麼執著 就不會玩的那麼痛苦 這是真的= =
好 護航完畢 開噓吧
--
MH要給我錢請給我P幣 感恩
: ======== (1) 亂入卡 ========
: 有人說為了增加卡片的稀有度,亂入卡是好的設計
: 但是很明顯,亂入卡刺激了多少吃幾十顆石頭拼機率玩家
: 從暗妍希,到尼祿,甚至尼祿還沒結束,又來一隻妙妙貓
: MH已經發現,亂入卡所創造的吃石營收,遠比地獄級關卡還要來得多
: 接踵而來的亂入卡,很明顯就是「MH私心大於體貼玩家」的設計
妍希那次時間太短 但再來的關卡呢?
(剛有人水球我說這邊是我記錯了 說研希時間有4~5周
那這部分應該是我記錯了 不過我當時到底花多久打 跟吃多少石
有點沒印象了 所以還是針對尼祿部分做評論就好)
傭兵至少也五星期 這次妙妙貓也大概六星期
亂入卡並不會吃那麼多石好嗎= =
我水傭兵推出那天就開始打 每天有40~50體就刷一次
偶爾用送的石頭回體 打了三個星期還不是打到了?
: ======== (2) 亂改卡 ========
: 上禮拜四改版後,紅心皇后的能力被玩家測試出來有「一波高傷害」的組合
: 詳情請看巴哈的這篇文章:http://ppt.cc/Np5-
: 隔天禮拜五,立刻將紅心皇后的技能改掉,甚至將最小CD由10改成12,
: 卡片雖然是虛擬寶物,但也是玩家花錢購買的商品,怎麼可以在玩家花了錢之後,
: 自行把卡片的能力改弱?
: 甚至改版當天就有抽到很多支紅心皇后,互帶互吃到高技的玩家,情何以堪?
: MH自己也知道這一點,才史無前例地用人面怪鳥來當作補償,似乎藉此滅火。
: 也似乎是成功了,至少在PTT的TOS版,已經沒人在討論紅心皇后被改爛的事情。
: 會不會有下次,誰知道?看到超強卡還想抽嗎?抽了會不會被亂改?
: 或者過六週再次改版,馬上被打臉?這地雷已經埋在很多玩家心裡了。
這部分沒去了解 不護航
: ======== (3) 打臉卡 ========
: 引述一下MH的口號,也是MH給老玩家的承諾:「不會有新卡取代舊卡的情況」
: 這次迪士尼系列,史無前例地出現 (幾乎) 無副作用的三倍攻
: 打臉日月狼快速轉珠的四倍攻 (原本還是5倍,當天就被改掉,最好是「誤植」成5倍)
: 打臉雙子申公豹的「越戰越強,超 (泥馬啦)」
: 打臉木遊、人馬、水光封神的雜色三倍攻,消心珠還能50%多1.5倍攻
: 為了創造一波營收的高峰,過往的承諾已經算個屁了,
: 現在每次改版,就推出超強新卡,先吸引大家狂抽卡,口袋賺飽飽再說,
: 六星期後再改版出新卡繼續打臉就好。
: ============================
痾 我想請問 到底怎樣改版才是好?
一個改版沒有新or更強的技能---->神魔已死
一個改版加了很OP的卡------>MH愛坑玩家錢
舉一個很明顯往弱的方向改版的遊戲 就是LOL
有興趣可以去看看LOL版版友翻譯的PBE、PATCH或紅帖
RIOT的導向就是看到一個很強的英雄 就把他改爛 進冰箱
要不是他在連線或分隊機制還算OK 現在絕對大多數人還是玩三國信長吧
而信長就是著名的"暴力平衡"的例子
好 離題了 回歸MH
沒錯,在這次改版後 暗遊雙子等壓血就是完全宣告死刑
但我是比較好奇到底最近除了一些特殊關 到底還有誰在玩壓血...
硬要說打臉也沒那麼嚴重吧?
此外 依照"現在"怪物的血量 也沒有用新卡壓血可以打 舊卡壓血不能打得吧?
然後說到雜色部分
現在雜色的地位只是提升到跟純色差不多地位(可能還比不上)吧?
當初只有人馬木遊 會有人想用雜色隊嗎? 現在出buff雜色的卡 不是一件好事嗎
再者 人馬、木遊等卡片的功能性還是在 絕對不會被取代掉啊...
更何況有好友給你用 抽不到組好友的 其實也不會壞到哪去啊
然後說到日月狼與快速轉珠 依現在的隊伍強度
復刻要0石通過難度不高吧? 將他視為窮人版的快速高倍功 不好嗎..
總而言之 就是想講一句話
"現在"MH出的關卡 並不會完全讓舊卡已死。
用新卡來打 只是會比較爽而已
如果你要說"現在MH都這樣搞,以後會亂搞不意外" 那我也不知道要說啥了...
: 在改版前,我們公會朋友看到虎克的隊長技跟主動技,很無奈地說了一句
: 「是不是抽不到虎克,以後就不用玩了?關卡打不過去...」
: 也有另一個朋友說
: 「要是我現在練得快要滿等滿技的隊伍,之後關卡因為超強卡片出現而變得超難,
: 連我現在的卡片都打不過去,那我就不想玩了」
: 這些真的都是老玩家的心聲,不管你贊同與否,MH確實在這陣子有非常需要檢討的地方,
: 從越來越多認為MH「吃相難看」的文章就可以知道這個趨勢。
虎克的隊長技就是9倍 但也就只是9倍而已
這只是讓純色起來 讓剋屬隊伍打起來比較不會那麼痛苦
純色隊伍的地位還是在那啊.....
光是北歐+戰場等加成 出來的倍率絕對比虎克好看= =
此外 有件事滿想講的
我一直覺得 並不是今天MH推出了一張或一套什麼系列的卡
就一定要全部都有啊 看看大麥克到現在連巨蟹都沒有(?)
就像地獄 這次打不過 就放棄 等下次你隊伍練起來再打 花費的代價不是更少嗎?
連鴨王那種東西都可以復刻 我是相信很多卡以後都可以在取得啦..
總而言之 現在真的還沒有到一定要新卡 才能繼續打下去的地步
如果現在沒辦法取得的卡或拿不到的卡 就等啊
以MH想要賺錢的想法 一定會有再出現的機會的....
對於新卡不要那麼執著 就不會玩的那麼痛苦 這是真的= =
好 護航完畢 開噓吧
--
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