爐石這遊戲 - 爐石戰記

By Odelette
at 2016-01-11T18:56

Table of Contents

其實不太想打這種文章

因為會講到太多其他人

但小豬實在87到不行

比較熟的被嘴到抱歉R

不太熟的有提到覺得不舒服也可以跟我講一聲刪一刪

說真的還真不知道該從何開始說起

拿我自己看比賽的經驗來講吧

一個BO5是因為雙方的失誤/大局問題而輸的
(真的很困難的選擇問題我大部分當作選手風格)

或甚至沒失誤的那邊輸給失誤/大局問題的

雖然我沒認真統計但頂多50%吧

而且就我個人感覺如果老是從預賽開始看起可能還高達80%之類的

很多時候很多人提到上帝視角

我覺得那更有趣了

問題不在上帝視角

而是在你優勢到不行的時候要去防什麼(想光對手牌庫)

跟你劣勢到不行的時候不該防什麼

當然大部分人沒有這方面的想法

所以看推文大部分都笑笑而已

就先拿昨天ice打羅杰 zoo打冰法就不說了真的是廢物一個

zoo打奴隸倒數第二回合羅杰出了個爆爆 ice全部打臉-1

最後ice選擇打穩但就我的立場肯定是全部打臉

為什麼? 對面是奴隸戰要怎麼逆轉鋪成這樣的場面還要讓一滴血回回來?

至少需要一護甲鍛造師一斬殺而且很可能其中一張要有兩張才能完美解場

但問題來了如果真的對面手牌不幸的這麼好這場還有可能會贏?

我是覺得不太可能了啦所以就我來說肯定打臉

再來是威傅

我們先不提Sen的失誤因為多到我不知道從何提起

但威傅明顯在中間的一個回合交換失誤 (先不提我覺得他那樣打好不好)

至少損失一傷害

下一回合馬上進末日-1

然後就被懲罰到輸

最後一場賊打秘密聖這我也是不知道該怎麼說了亂打一通到我根本不知道從何講起

然後雖然有點抱歉但我要提到跟我打的bobo

說真的我那個BO5 要是我有一咪咪的失誤或著bobo其中一場不要失誤

我覺得我們的分數肯定是反過來的

講真的啦要是我去打威傅或ice那幾局

打到最後傷害剛好肯定又是被一堆人說賽到不行

ice zoo打冰法神抽黑鐵下一回合又神抽貓頭鷹

結果還是沒把握好啊

威傅連進壓倒末日還不是贏不了?

超級多的時候是機會在那裏

但你前面打錯了一步錯步步錯

就像我一直說的

爐石這遊戲肯定需要運氣

但也肯定需要實力

其實例子到處都是

國外比賽也是滿滿的失誤

雖然也有不少人跟我說要一整個bo5不失誤很難

的確我也常常有一些打錯的時候

雖然大部分無傷大雅但我肯定下次我不會再做

像我跟bobo打有一場4傷的祕法飛彈

丟2個3/2比較容易解場還是丟1個3/2?

丟完之後我才覺得好像怪怪的

請威傅幫我算最後結果是應該先丟兩個3/2 至少死一隻的機率比直接丟一個3/2還高
(差大概5%)

老實講我還真的差點被這失誤害死

只是想說如果連某些基本的東西都不停的犯錯

那爐石這遊戲到底還有什麼重要的?

肯定是小細節都要講究到不行

才有資格提到運氣這兩個字

甚至我們連大局觀/起手換牌都還沒提到呢!

這遊戲真的是越玩越會覺得

怎麼可能有人敢說自己很了解這個遊戲

難到不行

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Tags: 爐石

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at 2016-01-14T15:26

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at 2016-11-17T22:22

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at 2016-11-20T15:02

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at 2016-11-22T09:44

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at 2016-11-22T11:18

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at 2016-12-05T19:32

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at 2016-12-10T12:36

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at 2016-12-15T11:23

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at 2016-12-25T08:21

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at 2016-12-25T21:51

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at 2016-12-28T22:07

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at 2016-12-31T09:47

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at 2017-01-04T03:39

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at 2017-01-05T13:38

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at 2017-01-10T10:21

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at 2017-01-13T15:43

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at 2017-01-14T07:22

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at 2017-01-18T21:29

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at 2017-01-21T22:55

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By Zora
at 2017-01-22T13:22

實力 = 把運氣成分算到可掌握才是真實力

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at 2017-01-27T02:07

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at 2017-01-29T15:20

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馬der

By Quanna
at 2017-01-30T02:26

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at 2017-02-01T10:36

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at 2017-02-03T12:26

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By Edith
at 2017-02-04T14:16

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By Blanche
at 2017-02-04T15:43

大哥分析有理又敢直言推

By Valerie
at 2017-02-05T11:04

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By Liam
at 2017-02-08T14:12

燙

By Oliver
at 2017-02-09T04:41

大哥！！！

By Dorothy
at 2017-02-10T03:35

爐石不是純競技也不是純運氣遊戲很難懂嗎??

By Franklin
at 2017-02-10T22:57

so L版友想表達啥 10萬場你賽贏一場就是純運氣遊戲

By Callum
at 2017-02-13T07:21

一個全身發燙

By Madame
at 2017-02-13T13:50

那還是請走出房間去打籃球吧

By Kristin
at 2017-02-14T21:15

還在扯Kobe，回去重看文章吧

By Ethan
at 2017-02-16T00:26

好燙好燙

By Belly
at 2017-02-18T20:32

燙爆了

By Charlotte
at 2017-02-22T14:30

連五趴機率都要考慮，真心猛

By Jacob
at 2017-02-24T07:33

爐石技術最低的運氣倒是最重的還一直出運氣卡

By Olive
at 2017-02-24T21:39

先把隨機變因拿掉再考慮技術問題吧

By Noah
at 2017-02-25T19:35

大哥開噴囉

By Michael
at 2017-03-02T12:01

推

By Olive
at 2017-03-02T13:37

精英也是有機會被銅牌單殺阿

By Poppy
at 2017-03-03T18:13

同抄一副牌有人可以堆場次上傳說有人亂微調卡r15,這
就實力差距了

By Ina
at 2017-03-05T12:14

燙，推好觀念~~~

By Sierra Rose
at 2017-03-07T19:59

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By Victoria
at 2017-03-09T03:40

燙

By Elvira
at 2017-03-10T23:05

大哥是對的!!

By Caitlin
at 2017-03-11T21:50

L版友說的是這遊戲以競技來看運氣成分相較起來偏重
的確是這樣沒錯啊

By Jessica
at 2017-03-16T18:34

說實在話不論任何東西實力相當的人本來就是比運

By Brianna
at 2017-03-19T04:23

推

By Elvira
at 2017-03-22T01:02

推

By Tracy
at 2017-03-22T05:00

可是那個運氣(炸彈炸怪還是炸臉,-1還是-4/小鬼4破還

By Kumar
at 2017-03-26T05:32

問題是爐石的一個RNG就有可能影響整盤勝負
高手交手比運氣你說進牌那些就算了

By Joseph
at 2017-03-30T13:27

是2破正正是爐石帶來驚險的來源,你要變成只有順著進

By Oscar
at 2017-04-01T12:10

不過這是以競技來說啦爐石當初設計以休閒為主
所以RNG多也有道理誰知道後來大紅才變成電競

By Olga
at 2017-04-05T02:04

牌,固定傷害那只會走程序的公式化遊戲

By Dorothy
at 2017-04-09T11:15

60229！

By Necoo
at 2017-04-11T12:56

大哥面前沒人敢稱第一

By Zenobia
at 2017-04-13T22:42

推大哥，我還想得不夠多

By Enid
at 2017-04-16T16:59

大哥永遠是對的

By Joseph
at 2017-04-19T01:13

大哥是對的！真不知道威傅當年是怎麼打贏大哥的...

By Elvira
at 2017-04-23T22:19

歐歐歐歐我的眼睛被燙傷惹～～～～

By Delia
at 2017-04-24T03:47

好屌

By Gary
at 2017-04-27T07:25

太燙啦!!

By Hardy
at 2017-04-29T07:21

燙一個

By Megan
at 2017-04-30T12:43

推

By Kelly
at 2017-05-02T17:58

電競最重要的是玩的人要多超公平但沒人玩也沒用

By Emily
at 2017-05-05T23:53

真der~~如果沒有把自己能控制的做到最好的確沒資格
怪運氣

By Enid
at 2017-05-10T15:52

大哥劣勢時會想著賽某張牌還是做最壞打算?

By Todd Johnson
at 2017-05-13T16:55

燙到我憤怒雞

By Adele
at 2017-05-15T12:53

大哥就說是贏要縮輸要衝，都要輸了當然只能賭

By Vanessa
at 2017-05-18T17:34

大哥有時候不管輸贏都要衝當那是最好打法該衝就衝

By Vanessa
at 2017-05-21T04:58

好燙

By Agnes
at 2017-05-24T02:19

未看先推

By Joe
at 2017-05-24T21:23

ID正確

By Victoria
at 2017-05-25T18:54

大哥太神啦

By Hedwig
at 2017-05-28T09:09

大哥給跪

By Dora
at 2017-05-28T22:15

燙燙

By Wallis
at 2017-06-02T04:59

-1是什麼意思？

By George
at 2017-06-06T21:05

全打臉差一血死

By Charlie
at 2017-06-07T03:41

60229

By Michael
at 2017-06-09T17:48

這遊戲最難在一堆RNG 短時間要算出怎樣最有利

By Genevieve
at 2017-06-14T11:48

推

By Caroline
at 2017-06-17T14:42

大哥是對的

By Belly
at 2017-06-18T06:47

亞洲最強男人TOM終於出來講話了太燙了

By Donna
at 2017-06-21T21:25

大哥講的是對的，可是爐石最悲哀就是他不可否認在電
競這一塊，運氣還是頗重的，舉例我跟SEN打1千場星海

By Anthony
at 2017-06-22T09:22

會是1000比0，那我跟TOM打1000場爐石，會是0嗎

By Isla
at 2017-06-23T15:48

不過有時候又是隨機讓比賽變的超有趣XD

By Damian
at 2017-06-28T04:28

1000比0永遠翻不了身會比較好玩嗎?新手不就連賽贏的
機會都沒有?

By Quanna
at 2017-07-02T15:46

燙～～～～～

By Edith
at 2017-07-06T03:00

燙

By Faithe
at 2017-07-09T14:59

有卡牌遊戲沒有運氣成分的嗎?

By Andrew
at 2017-07-10T00:50

運氣慢走

By Yedda
at 2017-07-12T01:43

推燙

By David
at 2017-07-15T14:49

推

By Elizabeth
at 2017-07-18T08:50

大哥覺得現在五唬將還夠格嗎？

By Hazel
at 2017-07-19T21:41

推真的越玩越覺得難到不行

By Susan
at 2017-07-21T05:56

就博奕遊戲還有人不懂什麼是博什麼是奕比例佔多

By Una
at 2017-07-23T02:31

佔少的問題如果卡牌遊戲真的那麼運氣那世界撲克
冠軍怎麼不是隔壁老王

By Hedy
at 2017-07-23T17:53

樓上你舉的那個比賽會沒有強輸給弱的嗎?都不會影響?

By Genevieve
at 2017-07-25T13:52

不過也可能是我誤解了你的意思......。

By James
at 2017-07-29T02:51

大哥推

By Michael
at 2017-07-31T15:26

別說那麼客氣推文懶得打太多字我這樣的確容易造成

By Agnes
at 2017-07-31T17:57

誤會其實就是看到有些人以為這遊戲"只有"運氣

By Kama
at 2017-08-05T13:48

奕但結果不如自己預期就說都是對面太賽自己太衰
一但自己支持的輸了就說這運氣遊戲比賽沒有鑑別度

By Cara
at 2017-08-09T22:26

OK啦!因為回頭想想發現我們想的應該沒不同才對^^"。

By Catherine
at 2017-08-14T17:37

推大哥!憤怒雞看不出箇中細節怎麼會懂 ^^

By Quintina
at 2017-08-18T08:33

好燙好燙

By Caitlin
at 2017-08-21T13:04

每次看到聊天室一對說賽的，真的覺得很無言，不賽
的時候都沒看到只會看到賽的時候，自己打牌也是都只
記得雖的時候，不會記得好運的時侯

By Catherine
at 2017-08-21T19:01

大哥~我永遠支持你

By Catherine
at 2017-08-26T12:04

這遊戲難到不行的話，隔壁MTG怎麼辦BibleThump

By Victoria
at 2017-08-29T05:36

燙

By Oscar
at 2017-08-30T22:20

夠燙～～～推一個

By Bennie
at 2017-09-02T18:17

推

By Hamiltion
at 2017-09-05T15:00

燙

By Audriana
at 2017-09-06T07:31

燙

By Caitlin
at 2017-09-09T09:26

就跟橋牌一樣啊再強的人也會被塞輸要不要去看橋牌
規則定義多嚴謹一個賽局要打幾回才能分出勝負

By Franklin
at 2017-09-13T02:10

大哥推

By Daniel
at 2017-09-15T02:18

強制91開的男人

By Delia
at 2017-09-16T21:27

看vod推這篇

By Iris
at 2017-09-17T18:20

我還不推

By Brianna
at 2017-09-20T13:07

橋牌嚴謹之處在於同副牌要分兩間打同隊4人分打兩種

By Emily
at 2017-09-24T04:13

方向，意思就是這邊的隊友衰等於另一邊的對手倒楣。

By Agnes
at 2017-09-24T13:06

可以靠運氣贏傳說？那你怎麼不一路賽上去#1

By Ursula
at 2017-09-26T09:43

推

By Hedy
at 2017-09-28T14:30

盡人事之後才聽天

By Hardy
at 2017-09-29T16:50

別在說失誤了這遊戲現在抽一半牌組就定勝負了就是
在靠賽靠燙

By Doris
at 2017-10-03T18:02

橋牌即使每副牌打兩次，也還是會有運氣的問題
比沒爐石嚴重就是了

By Charlotte
at 2017-10-04T05:46

大哥精闢，受教了

By Iris
at 2017-10-06T20:56

本來就運氣遊戲所以卡牌都一樣只是運氣比例高或低

By Edward Lewis
at 2017-10-07T17:21

說真的爐石我真的只尊重大哥，會屁話，可是講到認
真的也是最有說服力的，也很少聽到抱怨對手賽還是
怎樣的

By Emily
at 2017-10-08T17:07

實力差不多時比的真的是運氣

By Damian
at 2017-10-10T10:27

朝聖朝聖~~ 大哥好帥~~

爐石這遊戲 - 爐石戰記

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