尤格薩倫在《爐石戰記》比賽時是否該被禁 - 爐石戰記

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title:尤格薩倫在《爐石戰記》比賽時是否該被禁用?國外選手被逆轉後談感想
在今年甫釋出的《爐石戰記:古神碎碎念》版本中,誕生了一張會隨機施放法術的新卡「
尤格薩倫」,設計師 Whalen 提到他是一張刻意設計成 RNG( random number generator
,亂數產生器)要素的有趣卡片。但隨著賽事的進行,開始出現了有選手覺得「尤格薩倫
」並不有趣的聲音,原因在於它那沒有上下限的無限可能性,將破壞比賽體驗與職業選手
的專業度。
image
▲今年中歐對抗賽時,中國 Newbee 選手曾靠著尤格逆轉不利檯面。
Yahoo 電競引用外媒 Daily Dot 的一篇報導,該媒體近期在 HCT 夏季預賽對一名被尤格
薩倫逆轉的選手進行了賽後訪問。
原文: Should Yogg Saron be banned from competitive Hearthstone?
上週末HCT夏季預賽, dude7597(以下簡稱 dude) 選手遇到了我在《爐石戰記》看過最
糟糕的敗北。那是一場Zoo術對上Token德的比賽,當時他以強力手下佔滿了戰場,像是夜
色鎮議員、著魔的村民及小鬼幫派老大。他需要做的只有撐過他的對手拼死丟出的尤格薩
倫,然後他就會贏得比賽。 不幸的是,尤格薩倫在最後幾個法術碰巧放出了大漩渦傳送
門,將 dude 所有有威脅力的手下,並使得他在該場比賽走遠。
這顯然相當驚人,而且是觀看《爐石戰記》比賽最大的樂趣之一。但是我們應該從比
賽角度談談尤格薩倫。暴雪一直把隨機性做為其設計理念的一部份,但是從來沒有任何卡
片像尤格薩倫這樣有著不受控制的混亂和強大的力量。我們已經看過一些具體案例在其他
電競比賽——梅塔戰士在《任天堂明星大亂鬥X》鼎盛時期被列入了禁止名單。是否該把
尤格薩倫從競技比賽中移除了?我們找到了 dude 詢問他的觀點。
影片:https://clips.twitch.tv/playhearthstone/MuddyQuailSuperVinlin
Q:首先,談談你自己。告訴我你來自哪裡?你幾歲?你玩卡片遊戲多久了?
dude :我出生在紐約州羅徹斯特市,但是當我三週大時我的父母帶著我穿越全國在西雅
圖與家族住在一起,然後我就一直在這裡生活。我出生於1997年,因此我的遊戲名稱上有
個97,我現在19歲。我從小學開始玩《精靈寶可夢》的卡片遊戲,然後發展到《遊戲王》
,接著是《魔法風雲會》,但是當我高中時我開始少玩卡片遊戲,直到大三時我的朋友推
薦《爐石戰記》給我。我一開始玩《爐石戰記》就迷上了。
Q:當你意識到你將因不幸的RNG輸掉比賽時,你當時在想什麼?看當時的反應你似乎在哀
嚎。
dude :當我看到他打出尤格我在猜我會輸,因為這就是那張卡的性質。我知道他沒有打
過很多法術,所以我還是希望我的場面不會變,不過尤格有其他計劃。假如我打錯了的話
我不會介意,但是回頭看那場比賽,我相當確定我沒有犯下任何錯誤。
Q:你覺得暴雪是否有預期到,尤格薩倫會成為一張會在高水準比賽出現的好卡?你覺得
在這種場合是不是該禁掉這種靠賽的卡?
dude :沒有人知道暴雪到底在他們釋出卡片之前做了多少測試,但我猜他們做了不少,
因為他們每年只發佈一對新系列。即使只看幾場有放尤格的遊戲,很明顯的這張卡做壞了
,所以我無法想像暴雪並沒有意識到這會在職業比賽看到。我覺得暴雪希望尤格成為一種
流行的卡,遺憾的是,只有在成為旁觀者觀看時才能感受他的歡樂。我個人喜歡看到一個
基於RNG決定遊戲勝負的禁卡表,像是尤格、巨牙圖騰師、跟巴恩斯,而且我相信許多職
業玩家與我有相同的意見。
Q:你認為社群為何對禁卡猶豫不決?我們已經看到在《魔法風雲會》跟《遊戲王》都有
禁卡,為何《爐石戰記》不這麼做?
dude :幾乎所有在《爐石戰記》職業社群中我認識的人都希望尤格被禁。我覺得只有暴
雪能阻止尤格被禁,而且我認為他們這麼做的理由如同我先前所提:對觀眾來說尤格是一
張歡樂的卡,另外,他還是一張能夠吸引輕度玩家的有趣卡片。多數玩《爐石戰記》的人
每個月甚至沒有在天梯上爬到15~13階,所以這讓暴雪寧願迎合輕度玩家而不是職業玩家
顯得有道理。
Q:你認為未來暴雪應該如何掌控卡片設計中的RNG?你喜歡像是尤格這種超級無上限的卡
片,或是火焰雜耍師這種比較有限制的。
dude :很明顯我希望《爐石戰記》更吃技巧而不是靠賽。我不介意大多數遊戲中的小型
隨機效果,但是巨牙圖騰師能在第三回合決定比賽,以及尤格能完全逆轉一場原本不可能
贏的比賽,這會使得我想要關上我的電腦。隨機效應一直存在於《爐石戰記》,並在一定
程度上使得遊戲更有趣,但我希望暴雪設計師聽聽世界各地職業《爐石戰記》玩家的懇求
,在未來少做一些隨機卡片。或者以某種方式結合隨機性及技巧,像是「發現」這個效果
。
---
算是迎合上一篇PO的
之前在en論壇看過這篇,不過跟版上先前討論過的尤格問題差不多
--
title:尤格薩倫在《爐石戰記》比賽時是否該被禁用?國外選手被逆轉後談感想
在今年甫釋出的《爐石戰記:古神碎碎念》版本中,誕生了一張會隨機施放法術的新卡「
尤格薩倫」,設計師 Whalen 提到他是一張刻意設計成 RNG( random number generator
,亂數產生器)要素的有趣卡片。但隨著賽事的進行,開始出現了有選手覺得「尤格薩倫
」並不有趣的聲音,原因在於它那沒有上下限的無限可能性,將破壞比賽體驗與職業選手
的專業度。
image
▲今年中歐對抗賽時,中國 Newbee 選手曾靠著尤格逆轉不利檯面。
Yahoo 電競引用外媒 Daily Dot 的一篇報導,該媒體近期在 HCT 夏季預賽對一名被尤格
薩倫逆轉的選手進行了賽後訪問。
原文: Should Yogg Saron be banned from competitive Hearthstone?
上週末HCT夏季預賽, dude7597(以下簡稱 dude) 選手遇到了我在《爐石戰記》看過最
糟糕的敗北。那是一場Zoo術對上Token德的比賽,當時他以強力手下佔滿了戰場,像是夜
色鎮議員、著魔的村民及小鬼幫派老大。他需要做的只有撐過他的對手拼死丟出的尤格薩
倫,然後他就會贏得比賽。 不幸的是,尤格薩倫在最後幾個法術碰巧放出了大漩渦傳送
門,將 dude 所有有威脅力的手下,並使得他在該場比賽走遠。
這顯然相當驚人,而且是觀看《爐石戰記》比賽最大的樂趣之一。但是我們應該從比
賽角度談談尤格薩倫。暴雪一直把隨機性做為其設計理念的一部份,但是從來沒有任何卡
片像尤格薩倫這樣有著不受控制的混亂和強大的力量。我們已經看過一些具體案例在其他
電競比賽——梅塔戰士在《任天堂明星大亂鬥X》鼎盛時期被列入了禁止名單。是否該把
尤格薩倫從競技比賽中移除了?我們找到了 dude 詢問他的觀點。
影片:https://clips.twitch.tv/playhearthstone/MuddyQuailSuperVinlin
Q:首先,談談你自己。告訴我你來自哪裡?你幾歲?你玩卡片遊戲多久了?
dude :我出生在紐約州羅徹斯特市,但是當我三週大時我的父母帶著我穿越全國在西雅
圖與家族住在一起,然後我就一直在這裡生活。我出生於1997年,因此我的遊戲名稱上有
個97,我現在19歲。我從小學開始玩《精靈寶可夢》的卡片遊戲,然後發展到《遊戲王》
,接著是《魔法風雲會》,但是當我高中時我開始少玩卡片遊戲,直到大三時我的朋友推
薦《爐石戰記》給我。我一開始玩《爐石戰記》就迷上了。
Q:當你意識到你將因不幸的RNG輸掉比賽時,你當時在想什麼?看當時的反應你似乎在哀
嚎。
dude :當我看到他打出尤格我在猜我會輸,因為這就是那張卡的性質。我知道他沒有打
過很多法術,所以我還是希望我的場面不會變,不過尤格有其他計劃。假如我打錯了的話
我不會介意,但是回頭看那場比賽,我相當確定我沒有犯下任何錯誤。
Q:你覺得暴雪是否有預期到,尤格薩倫會成為一張會在高水準比賽出現的好卡?你覺得
在這種場合是不是該禁掉這種靠賽的卡?
dude :沒有人知道暴雪到底在他們釋出卡片之前做了多少測試,但我猜他們做了不少,
因為他們每年只發佈一對新系列。即使只看幾場有放尤格的遊戲,很明顯的這張卡做壞了
,所以我無法想像暴雪並沒有意識到這會在職業比賽看到。我覺得暴雪希望尤格成為一種
流行的卡,遺憾的是,只有在成為旁觀者觀看時才能感受他的歡樂。我個人喜歡看到一個
基於RNG決定遊戲勝負的禁卡表,像是尤格、巨牙圖騰師、跟巴恩斯,而且我相信許多職
業玩家與我有相同的意見。
Q:你認為社群為何對禁卡猶豫不決?我們已經看到在《魔法風雲會》跟《遊戲王》都有
禁卡,為何《爐石戰記》不這麼做?
dude :幾乎所有在《爐石戰記》職業社群中我認識的人都希望尤格被禁。我覺得只有暴
雪能阻止尤格被禁,而且我認為他們這麼做的理由如同我先前所提:對觀眾來說尤格是一
張歡樂的卡,另外,他還是一張能夠吸引輕度玩家的有趣卡片。多數玩《爐石戰記》的人
每個月甚至沒有在天梯上爬到15~13階,所以這讓暴雪寧願迎合輕度玩家而不是職業玩家
顯得有道理。
Q:你認為未來暴雪應該如何掌控卡片設計中的RNG?你喜歡像是尤格這種超級無上限的卡
片,或是火焰雜耍師這種比較有限制的。
dude :很明顯我希望《爐石戰記》更吃技巧而不是靠賽。我不介意大多數遊戲中的小型
隨機效果,但是巨牙圖騰師能在第三回合決定比賽,以及尤格能完全逆轉一場原本不可能
贏的比賽,這會使得我想要關上我的電腦。隨機效應一直存在於《爐石戰記》,並在一定
程度上使得遊戲更有趣,但我希望暴雪設計師聽聽世界各地職業《爐石戰記》玩家的懇求
,在未來少做一些隨機卡片。或者以某種方式結合隨機性及技巧,像是「發現」這個效果
。
---
算是迎合上一篇PO的
之前在en論壇看過這篇,不過跟版上先前討論過的尤格問題差不多
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