各屬平砍開技傷害比較(歡迎補充指正) - 神魔之塔

By Lauren
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各位好,晚安:
本篇簡單用實倍率*攻擊珠來做傷害比較,
其他因素如組數、combo數就暫不列入,
攻擊珠會計入兼屬及盤面期望值,如主動技有額外倍率或是如強化珠,會另外估算;
歡迎大家補充,或是覺得還想要加入什麼隊伍比較也可以,
如計算有誤還請多包涵,我也會儘速補正,謝謝。
開技的選擇是以CD6-CD8的號令轉屬或是轉整版的技能,作為比較基礎。
--隊伍 技能 實倍率 攻擊珠 主動額外倍率 傷害 備註
天照 明王 126.6 15 1.45 2,753
信長 信長 45.6 30 1.3*1.3 2,310 2/3的強化珠以1.3倍計
12火
三藏 三藏 66.3 15 2 1,988 4.5*4.5*1.5*24000/11000
消24,6光,18雜*0.5
信長 洛可可 45.6 18 1.45 1,189
信長 號令 45.6 15+10 1,139 15火5光5暗
信長 信長 20.3 30 1.3*1.3 1,027
無12火
呂布 號令 68.1 15 1,021
素還真 黑水妍 32 15 2 960
素還真 素還真 40 10+5 1.45 870 10水10心*0.5
那岐 那岐 16 30 1.23 588
--隊伍 技能 實倍率 攻擊珠 主動額外倍率 傷害
秀吉 平砍 36 15 1.3 702 要先能接受CD1開技算平砍..
三藏 平砍 66.3 7.5 497
呂布 平砍 68.1 5 340
信長 平砍 20.3 15 304
素還真 平砍 40 7.5 300
那岐 平砍 16 6+8 224 感謝shortimex大提醒~
撒旦 平砍 34.4 6 206 3.5*3.5*(1+2485*8/11000)
切西亞 平砍 33.2 6 199
--
關於素還真的感想
1.隊長技
從數字上可以看出素還真平砍絕對有新世代的水準,高於墮天的40倍、黑水妍25倍
所以有水隊隊長值得抽,沒水隊隊長更要抽。
小缺點大概就是設計上要看心珠臉色,不像撒旦給的乾脆;
不過至少有無心珠差異不像蘭斯洛特設計,卡心珠就直接少兩倍。
2.開主動技或是開水天傷害:
略低於信長開信長未觸發12火或是呂布開號令
不過如luke2大計算,因為固定珠數,轉9C其實跟開信長未觸發12火不會差太多,
這邊要推薦大家去看luke2大關於素還真的計算,還有隊員等其他分析,
沒時間的人看那篇就夠了真的。
順帶一提,開黑水妍觸發兩倍傷害還略高於開素,黑水妍主動太OP;
3.主動技:
優點:轉整版、固定珠量、回血、加秒。
缺點:無固定版面
雖然無固定版面看似還好,因為有加秒要全消不是難事,
但如果遇到十重燃燒、甚至有十重腐蝕的話,像那岐固定版面有特殊解就比較方便。
--
最後我還是想要講一下,
討論新卡強度是很正常的一件事,
素還真比完同屬是最強,跟其他屬一線相比難道又有什麼問題嗎?
如果今天是針對「素還真沒有比亞伯汗、黑水妍強多少」這樣的言論爆氣當然合理,
因為差距幾乎就像是呂布之於撒旦、信長之於切西亞的差距。
但在傷害差不多的情況下,素的確沒有其他特殊能力,這難道不能提出來比較嗎?
呂布信長有加秒,三藏有優秀血回,
那岐雖然傷害與這幾隊有差,但自產珠配合木玩具及木隊高血,生存力也不輸三藏。
我是覺得不需要因為挑出素還真可以加強的地方,不論隊長技或主動技時,
就有人放大絕說「那妳水成就怎麼解?」或是「那妳就不要抽」之類的;
要也是拿一些比較具體的像是「素開主動技可以回血,信長不行」之類的,
不過其實信長開洛可可也是轉整版、可以回血,傷害也不會比素還真低就是了。
還有像是
「跟其他屬有什麼好比的,如果看傷害,在三藏面前都不用比」
或是「除了三藏其他都是垃圾」這類的話
以傷害來看,也並不是只有三藏一枝獨秀,生存能力來說,那岐也很穩阿
前述的言論似乎不能解釋,為什麼不能跟其他屬比較討論?感覺就是為反而反。
總之,素還真是個倍率有到一線的隊長,
主動技轉整版固定珠量也相當優秀,
(轉整版還有水德,三清,靈兒)
以這兩點來說,絕對值得抽~
--
本篇簡單用實倍率*攻擊珠來做傷害比較,
其他因素如組數、combo數就暫不列入,
攻擊珠會計入兼屬及盤面期望值,如主動技有額外倍率或是如強化珠,會另外估算;
歡迎大家補充,或是覺得還想要加入什麼隊伍比較也可以,
如計算有誤還請多包涵,我也會儘速補正,謝謝。
開技的選擇是以CD6-CD8的號令轉屬或是轉整版的技能,作為比較基礎。
--隊伍 技能 實倍率 攻擊珠 主動額外倍率 傷害 備註
天照 明王 126.6 15 1.45 2,753
信長 信長 45.6 30 1.3*1.3 2,310 2/3的強化珠以1.3倍計
12火
三藏 三藏 66.3 15 2 1,988 4.5*4.5*1.5*24000/11000
消24,6光,18雜*0.5
信長 洛可可 45.6 18 1.45 1,189
信長 號令 45.6 15+10 1,139 15火5光5暗
信長 信長 20.3 30 1.3*1.3 1,027
無12火
呂布 號令 68.1 15 1,021
素還真 黑水妍 32 15 2 960
素還真 素還真 40 10+5 1.45 870 10水10心*0.5
那岐 那岐 16 30 1.23 588
--隊伍 技能 實倍率 攻擊珠 主動額外倍率 傷害
秀吉 平砍 36 15 1.3 702 要先能接受CD1開技算平砍..
三藏 平砍 66.3 7.5 497
呂布 平砍 68.1 5 340
信長 平砍 20.3 15 304
素還真 平砍 40 7.5 300
那岐 平砍 16 6+8 224 感謝shortimex大提醒~
撒旦 平砍 34.4 6 206 3.5*3.5*(1+2485*8/11000)
切西亞 平砍 33.2 6 199
--
關於素還真的感想
1.隊長技
從數字上可以看出素還真平砍絕對有新世代的水準,高於墮天的40倍、黑水妍25倍
所以有水隊隊長值得抽,沒水隊隊長更要抽。
小缺點大概就是設計上要看心珠臉色,不像撒旦給的乾脆;
不過至少有無心珠差異不像蘭斯洛特設計,卡心珠就直接少兩倍。
2.開主動技或是開水天傷害:
略低於信長開信長未觸發12火或是呂布開號令
不過如luke2大計算,因為固定珠數,轉9C其實跟開信長未觸發12火不會差太多,
這邊要推薦大家去看luke2大關於素還真的計算,還有隊員等其他分析,
沒時間的人看那篇就夠了真的。
順帶一提,開黑水妍觸發兩倍傷害還略高於開素,黑水妍主動太OP;
3.主動技:
優點:轉整版、固定珠量、回血、加秒。
缺點:無固定版面
雖然無固定版面看似還好,因為有加秒要全消不是難事,
但如果遇到十重燃燒、甚至有十重腐蝕的話,像那岐固定版面有特殊解就比較方便。
--
最後我還是想要講一下,
討論新卡強度是很正常的一件事,
素還真比完同屬是最強,跟其他屬一線相比難道又有什麼問題嗎?
如果今天是針對「素還真沒有比亞伯汗、黑水妍強多少」這樣的言論爆氣當然合理,
因為差距幾乎就像是呂布之於撒旦、信長之於切西亞的差距。
但在傷害差不多的情況下,素的確沒有其他特殊能力,這難道不能提出來比較嗎?
呂布信長有加秒,三藏有優秀血回,
那岐雖然傷害與這幾隊有差,但自產珠配合木玩具及木隊高血,生存力也不輸三藏。
我是覺得不需要因為挑出素還真可以加強的地方,不論隊長技或主動技時,
就有人放大絕說「那妳水成就怎麼解?」或是「那妳就不要抽」之類的;
要也是拿一些比較具體的像是「素開主動技可以回血,信長不行」之類的,
不過其實信長開洛可可也是轉整版、可以回血,傷害也不會比素還真低就是了。
還有像是
「跟其他屬有什麼好比的,如果看傷害,在三藏面前都不用比」
或是「除了三藏其他都是垃圾」這類的話
以傷害來看,也並不是只有三藏一枝獨秀,生存能力來說,那岐也很穩阿
前述的言論似乎不能解釋,為什麼不能跟其他屬比較討論?感覺就是為反而反。
總之,素還真是個倍率有到一線的隊長,
主動技轉整版固定珠量也相當優秀,
(轉整版還有水德,三清,靈兒)
以這兩點來說,絕對值得抽~
--
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