Tom60229 FB - 回應世界賽首戰疑問 - 爐石戰記

By Doris
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先謝謝這麼認真幫我算XDD
但大家不要太神化啊
基本上這次丟出這兩個問題大概都是比較簡單的爐石問題
而且就算出來的結果來說
答案其實是"選擇問題"
也就是兩個打法根本沒差多少
爐石難的其實是
(其實我機率跟板上大大比應該蠻爛的 有錯請指正我>"<)
1.起手留牌的投資報酬率=>這我完全不知道該怎麼算
但我只能說很多保守留牌就是欠人打爆
2.中期每一手的期望值
ex:假如我們防揮擊 防到的機率*場面結果效益
不防 對對方第二好的做法發生的機率*場面結果效益+三*效益+...+...
很多時候防不防是蠻接近的結果
至少就我的直覺流來說 我印象是沒什麼差 這時候當賽評我就會說差不多
(我不知道怎麼量化差不多 大概是對比賽賽局的勝率影響不到1%?)
但有很多時候兩個選擇我覺得光用想的就差很多
(牌堆張數明顯兩個選項不對等or場面結果差太多導致期望值很高)
大概就這種時候我才會出來說這打法很不好 balala
當然還有很多不知道怎麼加進數學的東西
像是對起手留牌的判斷(猜對方留牌) 中間打牌的過程猜出對方手上剩的東西
對於場面的判斷 再不怎麼做就一定輸的判斷 怎麼做就一定贏的判斷
最討厭的是其實每個東西我看是都算不出來XDD
所以說真的打越久越覺得這遊戲真的難到不行
可是我根本沒辦法好好量化
(但常打上傳說前段的我相信的確常選期望值高的那邊)
乾要不是我現在真的爆忙
還蠻想做點比賽因為這樣而輸的特輯的
感覺就很有趣
其實看世界賽就大概知道 頂尖選手跟普通傳說的差距其實還是不小啦我覺得
最好的例子大概是前幾天捷克對上菲律賓(術v.s賊) 那場的打錯懲罰跟打對獎賞同時發生
而且還很明顯應該誰都看得懂
當然我也一直說過 我不知道運氣跟實力影響的比例到底是多少
但我自己印象中啦 我的失誤被懲罰率爆炸高 而且常常是直接死去一場
(像上次冬季賽一血伏筆 *)
所以每次被說靠賽最不服氣的其實是
最好你們從第一回合到最後一回合都跟我打的一樣啦 那種剛剛好差一點點贏的局
通常就是我打得好or對面打的爛
只是現在的解說模式很難好好的討論啦 因為每一手要討論都是一篇文章
爆炸麻煩
結論:打牌靠賽 輕鬆自在
--
但大家不要太神化啊
基本上這次丟出這兩個問題大概都是比較簡單的爐石問題
而且就算出來的結果來說
答案其實是"選擇問題"
也就是兩個打法根本沒差多少
爐石難的其實是
(其實我機率跟板上大大比應該蠻爛的 有錯請指正我>"<)
1.起手留牌的投資報酬率=>這我完全不知道該怎麼算
但我只能說很多保守留牌就是欠人打爆
2.中期每一手的期望值
ex:假如我們防揮擊 防到的機率*場面結果效益
不防 對對方第二好的做法發生的機率*場面結果效益+三*效益+...+...
很多時候防不防是蠻接近的結果
至少就我的直覺流來說 我印象是沒什麼差 這時候當賽評我就會說差不多
(我不知道怎麼量化差不多 大概是對比賽賽局的勝率影響不到1%?)
但有很多時候兩個選擇我覺得光用想的就差很多
(牌堆張數明顯兩個選項不對等or場面結果差太多導致期望值很高)
大概就這種時候我才會出來說這打法很不好 balala
當然還有很多不知道怎麼加進數學的東西
像是對起手留牌的判斷(猜對方留牌) 中間打牌的過程猜出對方手上剩的東西
對於場面的判斷 再不怎麼做就一定輸的判斷 怎麼做就一定贏的判斷
最討厭的是其實每個東西我看是都算不出來XDD
所以說真的打越久越覺得這遊戲真的難到不行
可是我根本沒辦法好好量化
(但常打上傳說前段的我相信的確常選期望值高的那邊)
乾要不是我現在真的爆忙
還蠻想做點比賽因為這樣而輸的特輯的
感覺就很有趣
其實看世界賽就大概知道 頂尖選手跟普通傳說的差距其實還是不小啦我覺得
最好的例子大概是前幾天捷克對上菲律賓(術v.s賊) 那場的打錯懲罰跟打對獎賞同時發生
而且還很明顯應該誰都看得懂
當然我也一直說過 我不知道運氣跟實力影響的比例到底是多少
但我自己印象中啦 我的失誤被懲罰率爆炸高 而且常常是直接死去一場
(像上次冬季賽一血伏筆 *)
所以每次被說靠賽最不服氣的其實是
最好你們從第一回合到最後一回合都跟我打的一樣啦 那種剛剛好差一點點贏的局
通常就是我打得好or對面打的爛
只是現在的解說模式很難好好的討論啦 因為每一手要討論都是一篇文章
爆炸麻煩
結論:打牌靠賽 輕鬆自在
--
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