TLOU最後生還者 做疫苗艾莉必死? - PS
By Una
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看了頭很痛,原PO想討論最後生還者在現實是否可能
那就得看原PO對現實的認識為何
1 低活性菌株
你的例子是錯的
嚴格說來皮膚上的金黃色葡萄球菌和腸黏膜上的益生菌都算是體外,他們並非低毒性細菌
,只是沒進到體內
所以如果皮膚受損(如燙傷病人)或是腸黏膜受損(作過放射線治療)的病人都容易菌血症,
因為此時這些原本在體外的細菌有機會進到體內造成疾病
如果你是想表達遊戲中艾莉是得到低活性真菌,你舉的例子沒有說服力
2 艾莉在被咬之前就已經被感染,才有免疫力
現實例子: HSV 盛行率可高達40%
但多數人沒症狀根本不知道被感染
最近的covid2019也是
你的例子和你講的觀念沒有關係
一個是免疫系統有能力辨識外來物(細菌病毒),一個是無症狀感染
3 艾莉身上低活性菌株活性太低(太廢)周邊抽血無法抽到孢子
這句不知如何吐槽,你在討論真菌,舉的都是病毒的例子
病毒大概是ㄧ般細胞的1000到10000分之一小,他們比較像是把細胞當作工廠改造後複製
自己
所以他們會躲在細胞內。也因此抗病毒藥物通常是阻止病毒複製,而不是殺死病毒,因為
病毒本來就不是生命XD
真菌和細胞一樣大,通常就是直接和免疫系統的T細胞對抗,看誰打贏。抗細菌或黴菌藥
物通常就是殺死他們,因為他們是生命XD
如果有菌血症(細菌或真菌),通常就代表你的免疫系統根本打不過細菌或真菌,死亡率很
高
4 腦部感染難以取樣
要看是怎樣的腦部感染
腦膜炎: 抽腦脊髓液
腦膿瘍:影像定位後抽吸
腦炎:抽腦脊髓液或抽血
遊戲中都有影像給你看是有實體的東東長在腦部,先別說有個咚咚長在那毫無症狀是很奇
怪的事
。有個咚咚長在那除非你是要移除它,不然按照遊戲中的目的(取得病原體),為啥取樣後
艾利一定會死。
照這個邏輯,所有開腦移除腫瘤的病人死亡率應該要百分百吧
原PO基本上就是照最後生還者的遊戲設定再加上拼拼湊湊的例子。
最後生還者本來就是軟科幻,如果要討論的話就得看討論的目的
如果和現實比較是否可能,那就得照現實來討論
如果是遊戲中的設定也沒啥好討論,作者說了算就是,最多就是討論設定是否前後不一
--
那就得看原PO對現實的認識為何
1 低活性菌株
你的例子是錯的
嚴格說來皮膚上的金黃色葡萄球菌和腸黏膜上的益生菌都算是體外,他們並非低毒性細菌
,只是沒進到體內
所以如果皮膚受損(如燙傷病人)或是腸黏膜受損(作過放射線治療)的病人都容易菌血症,
因為此時這些原本在體外的細菌有機會進到體內造成疾病
如果你是想表達遊戲中艾莉是得到低活性真菌,你舉的例子沒有說服力
2 艾莉在被咬之前就已經被感染,才有免疫力
現實例子: HSV 盛行率可高達40%
但多數人沒症狀根本不知道被感染
最近的covid2019也是
你的例子和你講的觀念沒有關係
一個是免疫系統有能力辨識外來物(細菌病毒),一個是無症狀感染
3 艾莉身上低活性菌株活性太低(太廢)周邊抽血無法抽到孢子
這句不知如何吐槽,你在討論真菌,舉的都是病毒的例子
病毒大概是ㄧ般細胞的1000到10000分之一小,他們比較像是把細胞當作工廠改造後複製
自己
所以他們會躲在細胞內。也因此抗病毒藥物通常是阻止病毒複製,而不是殺死病毒,因為
病毒本來就不是生命XD
真菌和細胞一樣大,通常就是直接和免疫系統的T細胞對抗,看誰打贏。抗細菌或黴菌藥
物通常就是殺死他們,因為他們是生命XD
如果有菌血症(細菌或真菌),通常就代表你的免疫系統根本打不過細菌或真菌,死亡率很
高
4 腦部感染難以取樣
要看是怎樣的腦部感染
腦膜炎: 抽腦脊髓液
腦膿瘍:影像定位後抽吸
腦炎:抽腦脊髓液或抽血
遊戲中都有影像給你看是有實體的東東長在腦部,先別說有個咚咚長在那毫無症狀是很奇
怪的事
。有個咚咚長在那除非你是要移除它,不然按照遊戲中的目的(取得病原體),為啥取樣後
艾利一定會死。
照這個邏輯,所有開腦移除腫瘤的病人死亡率應該要百分百吧
原PO基本上就是照最後生還者的遊戲設定再加上拼拼湊湊的例子。
最後生還者本來就是軟科幻,如果要討論的話就得看討論的目的
如果和現實比較是否可能,那就得照現實來討論
如果是遊戲中的設定也沒啥好討論,作者說了算就是,最多就是討論設定是否前後不一
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