Reddit上對盜賊的想法 - 爐石戰記

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Source: https://redd.it/4fwljj
這篇文章是Reddit的gmaiaf所寫
在文內闡述了一些他對最近盜賊劇烈變化的看法
先聲明本翻譯未經原作者同意 也未報備 純為分享之舉
====
是時候叫官方出來談談他們對盜賊的看法了。
傳統的盜賊打法不外乎組合技,他們單卡上來看並不強,但組合在一起就變得很棒,這種
打法吸引了很多人玩盜賊。也因此盜賊社群都很死忠,這是我牧師社群的兄弟說的。我們
經歷過了NAXX GvG BRM TGT LoE,盜賊從來沒得過設計團隊的愛。回顧過去幾個比較熱門
的盜賊牌組(刀油賊、藍龍賊),你會發現裡面只有兩張職業卡,也就是刀油跟盜墓者,盜
賊是九職中在資料片獲益最少的。
沒興趣支持盜賊也就算了,BZ讓事情更加惡化,就像從只是無愛變成憎恨。我們大概沒機
會看到爆刀重製,或是任何的WOG卡片改動,所以我覺得至少Ben Brode必須要出來對社群
談談他們對盜賊的看法。
以下是我想說的論點,之後可能會依據Reddit的評論改動、增加或是刪除。
1. 缺乏卡片支援傳統盜賊的打法
如同前文所敘,五個資料片中只拿到兩張可用的職業卡,BZ已經放棄這個職業了嗎?可以
給我們一個解釋嗎?
2. 新流派導入失敗
我記得現在有海盜賊、死聲賊跟控制賊這三種。
海盜賊很可愛,很多人喜歡他,但只是個噱頭罷了。的確有些卡被加到這塊,但他們都只
不過是幾張只有一點點連動性的白板怪而已,諷刺的是,他們缺乏特性。
死聲賊只是個哏,是Zoo的山寨失敗作,我覺得這點很重要,隨後會有主題式的討論。
控制賊(不論有沒有放里諾)是另一個失敗作,貿易親王、盜竊和菊花茶是控制賊可能會放
的一些卡,但這種牌組從沒稱霸過,要稱霸必須先解決控制會遇到的入門問題,要怎麼活
下來。養精蓄銳哪去了?吸血毒藥呢?這不是WOW的職業設計,控制賊根本沒活命的手段。
3. 盜賊玩家不想玩Zoo賊和死聲賊
這是我看過最大的笑話,大家都覺得死聲賊很Cooooool,他創造了另外一種盜賊流派。
問題在於盜賊的打法不只是傳統的生物交換而已,我們想要用連擊、法傷搭配再加上武器
。Zoo完全沒這些東西。如果你想玩那乾脆去玩別種職業會比較好。想玩控制?拿牧師跟戰
士。想打生物交換?玩聖騎跟術士。想拼臉?選獵人跟薩滿。
有分支很好,但不應該讓其他流派變得更爛。以此為開頭,接下來進入全文的重點。
4. 削弱爆刀
你認真?爆刀應該被砍?這很明顯是這次更新內除了自然之力以外最大的削弱,從二費變到
四費之外也無法打臉。這前後有很多可以取捨的改動方向。很多人都有說到這點。為什麼
不維持二費只打生物?為什麼不四費維持原效果?還有其他的選項可以選擇。
我知道削弱的主要原因在於"限制了設計空間",OK,你需要出新卡。主要問題在於你不能
拿掉牌組的核心然後期待他跟以前一樣好。盜賊沒有其他的清場技可用,刀扇效果不佳,
消失的解場只是暫時的,而且只有爆牌賊可用。公布的卡中沒有任何一張受到爆刀限制,
唯一加武器的是南海魷魚人的死聲,這張只是有發動條件的致命毒藥而已。或許你會說削
弱會讓下一版的卡片設計方向更廣,那現在怎麼辦?這是職業中需要被填起來的一個大洞
,但並沒有被補好。也有論點說盜賊現在可以拿到比毒刃更好的武器。好的清場法術跟新
武器之中,會有人會選擇後者嗎?
可能還有更多可以討論的東西,但這些是我覺得現在很重要的點。本篇並不是靠北削弱爆
刀的廢文。這是盜賊玩家跟設計團隊之間嚴重的隔閡,我覺得應該說出來。
TL;DR #RogueMatters
--
這篇文章是Reddit的gmaiaf所寫
在文內闡述了一些他對最近盜賊劇烈變化的看法
先聲明本翻譯未經原作者同意 也未報備 純為分享之舉
====
是時候叫官方出來談談他們對盜賊的看法了。
傳統的盜賊打法不外乎組合技,他們單卡上來看並不強,但組合在一起就變得很棒,這種
打法吸引了很多人玩盜賊。也因此盜賊社群都很死忠,這是我牧師社群的兄弟說的。我們
經歷過了NAXX GvG BRM TGT LoE,盜賊從來沒得過設計團隊的愛。回顧過去幾個比較熱門
的盜賊牌組(刀油賊、藍龍賊),你會發現裡面只有兩張職業卡,也就是刀油跟盜墓者,盜
賊是九職中在資料片獲益最少的。
沒興趣支持盜賊也就算了,BZ讓事情更加惡化,就像從只是無愛變成憎恨。我們大概沒機
會看到爆刀重製,或是任何的WOG卡片改動,所以我覺得至少Ben Brode必須要出來對社群
談談他們對盜賊的看法。
以下是我想說的論點,之後可能會依據Reddit的評論改動、增加或是刪除。
1. 缺乏卡片支援傳統盜賊的打法
如同前文所敘,五個資料片中只拿到兩張可用的職業卡,BZ已經放棄這個職業了嗎?可以
給我們一個解釋嗎?
2. 新流派導入失敗
我記得現在有海盜賊、死聲賊跟控制賊這三種。
海盜賊很可愛,很多人喜歡他,但只是個噱頭罷了。的確有些卡被加到這塊,但他們都只
不過是幾張只有一點點連動性的白板怪而已,諷刺的是,他們缺乏特性。
死聲賊只是個哏,是Zoo的山寨失敗作,我覺得這點很重要,隨後會有主題式的討論。
控制賊(不論有沒有放里諾)是另一個失敗作,貿易親王、盜竊和菊花茶是控制賊可能會放
的一些卡,但這種牌組從沒稱霸過,要稱霸必須先解決控制會遇到的入門問題,要怎麼活
下來。養精蓄銳哪去了?吸血毒藥呢?這不是WOW的職業設計,控制賊根本沒活命的手段。
3. 盜賊玩家不想玩Zoo賊和死聲賊
這是我看過最大的笑話,大家都覺得死聲賊很Cooooool,他創造了另外一種盜賊流派。
問題在於盜賊的打法不只是傳統的生物交換而已,我們想要用連擊、法傷搭配再加上武器
。Zoo完全沒這些東西。如果你想玩那乾脆去玩別種職業會比較好。想玩控制?拿牧師跟戰
士。想打生物交換?玩聖騎跟術士。想拼臉?選獵人跟薩滿。
有分支很好,但不應該讓其他流派變得更爛。以此為開頭,接下來進入全文的重點。
4. 削弱爆刀
你認真?爆刀應該被砍?這很明顯是這次更新內除了自然之力以外最大的削弱,從二費變到
四費之外也無法打臉。這前後有很多可以取捨的改動方向。很多人都有說到這點。為什麼
不維持二費只打生物?為什麼不四費維持原效果?還有其他的選項可以選擇。
我知道削弱的主要原因在於"限制了設計空間",OK,你需要出新卡。主要問題在於你不能
拿掉牌組的核心然後期待他跟以前一樣好。盜賊沒有其他的清場技可用,刀扇效果不佳,
消失的解場只是暫時的,而且只有爆牌賊可用。公布的卡中沒有任何一張受到爆刀限制,
唯一加武器的是南海魷魚人的死聲,這張只是有發動條件的致命毒藥而已。或許你會說削
弱會讓下一版的卡片設計方向更廣,那現在怎麼辦?這是職業中需要被填起來的一個大洞
,但並沒有被補好。也有論點說盜賊現在可以拿到比毒刃更好的武器。好的清場法術跟新
武器之中,會有人會選擇後者嗎?
可能還有更多可以討論的東西,但這些是我覺得現在很重要的點。本篇並不是靠北削弱爆
刀的廢文。這是盜賊玩家跟設計團隊之間嚴重的隔閡,我覺得應該說出來。
TL;DR #RogueMatters
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