GDC:Steam續霸榜 僅3%開發商接受30%抽成 - Steam
By Catherine
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※ 引述《wizardfizban (瘋法師)》之銘言:
: Steam給一定銷售額以上的遊戲降抽成其實很合理...
: 找了一下才找到,只有中國那的新聞。
: Steam上的獨立遊戲、低成本遊戲與3A遊戲的收入差距巨大
: https://www.9k9k.com/chanyesj/28120.html
: 根據Galyonkin,2017年中4579個定價為$9.99的遊戲僅產生了Steam 9.63%的收入
,
: 1321個定價$19.99的遊戲產生了16.87%的收入。雖然看起來挺合理,但是問題在於,獨
立
: 遊戲開發商通常認為9.99美金的價格是能產生較高的收入合理定價,但是事實卻背道而
馳
: 。
: 與此同時,收入最高的遊戲價格檔是19.99美金和59.99美金。當然,正如圖表的標
題
: 所示,統計中沒有將《絕地求生》計算在內,畢竟去年這款遊戲的收入是現象級的,在
這
: 裡被當作特例排除。
: 最終,Galyonkin認為,玩家正趨向於購買那些高質量、大廠商的作品,這會拉開
獨
: 立遊戲、低成本遊戲與3A遊戲的收入差距,他說道:“定價問題正在變得越來越不健康
。
: ”
: ====
: Steam上的銷售主力一直都是那些大作級的遊戲。
: 獨立遊戲和低成本遊戲不是銷售主力。
: 所以對Valve來說,為那些銷售主力的遊戲降抽成其實很合理呀!
: 而且獨立遊戲和低成本遊戲只要有能耐賣那麼多也一樣能降抽成。
: 又或著說難聽點,獨立遊戲廠商大部份收入來自Steam,但Steam大部份收入不是來自獨
立
: 遊戲呀!
樓下戰一串,R大覺得應該要引入「評價影響分潤」機制,我說一下我覺得這個方案糟糕
透了的原因。
然後在討論前,我想先說一個基本人性,假設小明每天可以賺100元,某天,他有個額外
賺20元的機會,要求是回家的路要走別條(距離差不多),那麼對小明來說,走原本的路
就是損失,他不會想說這筆20是額外的,我只要有這基本盤100元就好,有賺沒賺我都沒
差。
1,很多遊戲評價差不代表遊戲不好,舉例來說,任何遊戲的DLC評價都不會太高,玩家很
容易一邊罵吃相難看,一邊乖乖買。如果分潤機制引入,製作DLC的慾望會降低,我知道
很多人會覺得「哇,太棒了,不用再看到一堆垃圾DLC」但按照正常邏輯,本體遊戲也不
會變多好,只是讓鐵粉少了DLC可以玩的機率提高。
2,不同遊戲類型的評價基本盤是不一樣的,舉例來說,色情遊戲只要不要做的太誇張,
好評率都有90%以上,我剛剛看一下,Mirror有五萬多的評論,好評率是97%,這五萬多票
裡有我,但這已經是Hades的等級,捫心自問,你覺得兩者分潤一樣合理嗎?更別提,很
多你心中的神作遊戲可能在這個制度下拿的比益智遊戲小黃遊還低。
3,評價本身會更失真,原本我們在評價,靠的東西很純粹「遊戲我喜不喜歡」,這個機
制引入就不一樣了,有的人可能會覺得打差評會擋人財路不好意思,有的人會覺得雖然遊
戲不錯,但害你少賺錢好爽。
4,遊戲公司可能更不敢做前衛題材,我們可以對標Youtube,Youtube掌控言論的方式很
高明,他不禁止你Po他認為的敏感議題,但是他黃標讓你拿不到錢。同樣的,這個方式下
去,你可能再也看不到前衛題材,嘗試性的遊戲、思辨遊戲會更少。
5,逼迫正常遊戲廠商找水軍洗評價,而這是絕對不可避免的一項結果,只要評價跟收入
掛鉤,聘請水軍的錢就會納入生產遊戲的成本裡,無論用任何方式都無法改變。steam買
遊戲會去評價的比例大概是1/20,遊戲廠商自己買一份遊戲再去評價,由於自己還可以收
70%的利潤,自己買一份遊戲可產生66個玩家買遊戲的評價威力,現在沒人這麼幹或者說
幹的人少,歸根究底還是沒收益。
6,最重要的是,這件事對Steam與遊戲公司雙方都是莫名其妙,人家做生意,唯一有用的
評價就是銷量,銷量高,誰會管你那麼多。反之,銷量低,再跟我扯一些7788的,誰理你
。
--
: Steam給一定銷售額以上的遊戲降抽成其實很合理...
: 找了一下才找到,只有中國那的新聞。
: Steam上的獨立遊戲、低成本遊戲與3A遊戲的收入差距巨大
: https://www.9k9k.com/chanyesj/28120.html
: 根據Galyonkin,2017年中4579個定價為$9.99的遊戲僅產生了Steam 9.63%的收入
,
: 1321個定價$19.99的遊戲產生了16.87%的收入。雖然看起來挺合理,但是問題在於,獨
立
: 遊戲開發商通常認為9.99美金的價格是能產生較高的收入合理定價,但是事實卻背道而
馳
: 。
: 與此同時,收入最高的遊戲價格檔是19.99美金和59.99美金。當然,正如圖表的標
題
: 所示,統計中沒有將《絕地求生》計算在內,畢竟去年這款遊戲的收入是現象級的,在
這
: 裡被當作特例排除。
: 最終,Galyonkin認為,玩家正趨向於購買那些高質量、大廠商的作品,這會拉開
獨
: 立遊戲、低成本遊戲與3A遊戲的收入差距,他說道:“定價問題正在變得越來越不健康
。
: ”
: ====
: Steam上的銷售主力一直都是那些大作級的遊戲。
: 獨立遊戲和低成本遊戲不是銷售主力。
: 所以對Valve來說,為那些銷售主力的遊戲降抽成其實很合理呀!
: 而且獨立遊戲和低成本遊戲只要有能耐賣那麼多也一樣能降抽成。
: 又或著說難聽點,獨立遊戲廠商大部份收入來自Steam,但Steam大部份收入不是來自獨
立
: 遊戲呀!
樓下戰一串,R大覺得應該要引入「評價影響分潤」機制,我說一下我覺得這個方案糟糕
透了的原因。
然後在討論前,我想先說一個基本人性,假設小明每天可以賺100元,某天,他有個額外
賺20元的機會,要求是回家的路要走別條(距離差不多),那麼對小明來說,走原本的路
就是損失,他不會想說這筆20是額外的,我只要有這基本盤100元就好,有賺沒賺我都沒
差。
1,很多遊戲評價差不代表遊戲不好,舉例來說,任何遊戲的DLC評價都不會太高,玩家很
容易一邊罵吃相難看,一邊乖乖買。如果分潤機制引入,製作DLC的慾望會降低,我知道
很多人會覺得「哇,太棒了,不用再看到一堆垃圾DLC」但按照正常邏輯,本體遊戲也不
會變多好,只是讓鐵粉少了DLC可以玩的機率提高。
2,不同遊戲類型的評價基本盤是不一樣的,舉例來說,色情遊戲只要不要做的太誇張,
好評率都有90%以上,我剛剛看一下,Mirror有五萬多的評論,好評率是97%,這五萬多票
裡有我,但這已經是Hades的等級,捫心自問,你覺得兩者分潤一樣合理嗎?更別提,很
多你心中的神作遊戲可能在這個制度下拿的比益智遊戲小黃遊還低。
3,評價本身會更失真,原本我們在評價,靠的東西很純粹「遊戲我喜不喜歡」,這個機
制引入就不一樣了,有的人可能會覺得打差評會擋人財路不好意思,有的人會覺得雖然遊
戲不錯,但害你少賺錢好爽。
4,遊戲公司可能更不敢做前衛題材,我們可以對標Youtube,Youtube掌控言論的方式很
高明,他不禁止你Po他認為的敏感議題,但是他黃標讓你拿不到錢。同樣的,這個方式下
去,你可能再也看不到前衛題材,嘗試性的遊戲、思辨遊戲會更少。
5,逼迫正常遊戲廠商找水軍洗評價,而這是絕對不可避免的一項結果,只要評價跟收入
掛鉤,聘請水軍的錢就會納入生產遊戲的成本裡,無論用任何方式都無法改變。steam買
遊戲會去評價的比例大概是1/20,遊戲廠商自己買一份遊戲再去評價,由於自己還可以收
70%的利潤,自己買一份遊戲可產生66個玩家買遊戲的評價威力,現在沒人這麼幹或者說
幹的人少,歸根究底還是沒收益。
6,最重要的是,這件事對Steam與遊戲公司雙方都是莫名其妙,人家做生意,唯一有用的
評價就是銷量,銷量高,誰會管你那麼多。反之,銷量低,再跟我扯一些7788的,誰理你
。
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