點天賦是不是還是滿好玩的? - WOW

By Dorothy
at 2019-09-03T01:10
at 2019-09-03T01:10
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: → a127: 暴雪抄POE就好了,天賦繞個圈,核心天賦拆開放就不會破表了 09/02 19:16
: 破表沒有關系 神兵就破表
:
: 但有些天賦破到500趴 有些只有380趴 就是大問題
: → b2202761: poe有平衡嗎???? 09/02 19:28
: → b2202761: 這邊探討天賦平衡問題結果跑出一個poe? 09/02 19:28
: ※ 編輯: KILLE (24.6.27.221 美國), 09/02/2019 19:32:02
: → ccode: poe比刷圖速度的話最後也就那些配法啊...偏門配法還要土豪 09/02 19:41
: → ccode: 靠有裝才辦得到 09/02 19:42
: → ccode: 說到底,只要有難度或效率問題就會縮限自由度 09/02 19:43
你真的要講效率的話 POE 每個職業都有不同的玩法 天賦走向
新賽季第一支起手的人物都以打圖為主這是主流
但我相信POE的樂趣不是只有在刷裝效率上面計較樂趣
玩到後面都是打造自己心目中的機體
你看肌肉哥的怪異天賦為什麼都玩得起來 還一堆人愛抄又沒抄好
每一種遊戲就是會有一種追求效率型的玩家 他不管玩什麼就是要追求效率
WOW1.0就是時時刻刻在提醒你 嘿!偶爾放慢腳步 看看周圍的人事物
遊戲內不跟人交流的人到哪裡還是都不會跟人交流
環境已經給你了 EQ那種更過份 就是逼你組隊 玩的不亦樂乎的人大有人在
WOW 1版天賦問題還不大 因為各個職業各有術業專攻
每個職業都有專職設計師下去體驗
例如你不會苛求一個德魯依要做到有賊的輸出或有牧師的治療或戰士的群坦仇恨
可是在前期副本 不小心ADD或者是4以上菁英的組合他可以直接扛一隻
讓隊伍壓力縮小很多
2版之後就常常教你怎麼點天賦 且這個版本技能跟天賦在PVP跟PVE還沒分界清楚
導致天賦每一次的patch都有手術成功病人已死的笑話出來
這個問題一直延續到3版 導致BZ自己推的3V3競技組合變成萬年2組隊抗
賊法牧/戰聖德 3版變成三鎧 每一次比賽就是看這兩個組合在打
玩家已經說了多久要PVP跟PVE的能效果分開 講到現在還是沒做好
再說到LIVE版本 又搞了一個M+計時賽
請問有戰賊賊僧德以外的組合秀過嗎
特異功能先不說 連坦克/治療都要比傷害 請問這是哪個阿三工程師設計出來的?
: 推 Yanrei: 後來三選一算是很不錯的做法了,只是Bz後期平衡也做不到 09/02 19:50
: → safy: 你用11 21 31當作關鍵分水嶺的話, 經典版也只是 3/3/3的容 09/02 19:54
: → safy: 器內,有四個天賦點, 看你要3/1/0 2/2/0 這樣子的思考而已 09/02 19:54
: → safy: BZ其實也是可以移除被動就這樣改, 也就是過了7版多7點 09/02 19:56
: → safy: 但從7版開始,官方就有意把這些東西轉移到裝備而非角色身上 09/02 19:57
: 推 ppit: 前幾版的天賦真的比較有趣味 09/02 20:01
: → Despairile: 今天太多議題可以發文 但後來想想算了 09/02 20:06
: → Despairile: 天賦的問題我的想法是 既然1-4版都沒問題 09/02 20:06
: → Despairile: 5-7就有問題其實頗問號的 可以改成2-3等取得一天賦點 09/02 20:06
: → Despairile: 要學POE也可以 實際上天賦加多少%跟後來藍鐵的 09/02 20:07
: → Despairile: 提升多少%X職業的Y技能傷害很類似 09/02 20:08
: 推 ppit: 一樣勝敗是比大小,骰子跟圍棋的可玩性差很多 09/02 20:08
: → Despairile: 今天說東西變少會比較好平衡 實際上並沒有 09/02 20:08
: 推 orz65535: 以前一頁天賦50點扣掉大招大概有30%是改良技能缺陷 09/02 20:13
: → orz65535: (現今已直接內建) 50%是角色強化(現今等級到自動學習) 09/02 20:13
: → orz65535: 剩下20%是其他(生活品質/生存/PVP/團隊取向) 09/02 20:14
: 推 orz65535: 換句話說 至少80%以前天賦樹的內容都內建了 再把大招 09/02 20:19
: → orz65535: 跟非輸出取向的做延伸變成多層三選一 09/02 20:20
: 推 mushroomface: 天賦加多少%和瀾鐵改動根本不一樣 天賦會不斷疊加 09/02 21:42
: 噓 Srwx: 純噓學POE 沒平衡可言的設計學了要死更快嗎.... 09/02 21:52
Diablo Like這個類型的遊戲告訴你 爽GAME根本不需要平衡 只要不太誇張
POE 組隊挖礦都不知道挖到地心了沒
你看D3每個賽季都在平衡有被廣大玩家青睞過?
你有一個賽季玩到很專 知道被熱修技能是因為單人天梯或多人天梯而修的嗎?
這種爽GAME的平衡要就是把弱的提升上來 而不應該直接把一種玩法直接弄死
: → collie303: 3.0ICC後的天賦加成真的猛 熊D破釜直接30萬血爆炸成長 09/02 22:01
: 推 infinite1234: 我是比較希望把天賦主動技直接給玩家 天賦改全被動 09/02 23:38
: → infinite1234: 然後像D3一樣 自己在十幾種被動中選4-5個搭配meta 09/02 23:39
: → infinite1234: 這樣開新版也可以繼續加被動天賦 09/02 23:41
最後面我要再提一點 玩法有很多種 只是你沒想到 不需要去眼紅
私服專精的玩家 15年來就是一直膩在這個版本 有什麼神奇的玩法我都不意外
--
: 破表沒有關系 神兵就破表
:
: 但有些天賦破到500趴 有些只有380趴 就是大問題
: → b2202761: poe有平衡嗎???? 09/02 19:28
: → b2202761: 這邊探討天賦平衡問題結果跑出一個poe? 09/02 19:28
: ※ 編輯: KILLE (24.6.27.221 美國), 09/02/2019 19:32:02
: → ccode: poe比刷圖速度的話最後也就那些配法啊...偏門配法還要土豪 09/02 19:41
: → ccode: 靠有裝才辦得到 09/02 19:42
: → ccode: 說到底,只要有難度或效率問題就會縮限自由度 09/02 19:43
你真的要講效率的話 POE 每個職業都有不同的玩法 天賦走向
新賽季第一支起手的人物都以打圖為主這是主流
但我相信POE的樂趣不是只有在刷裝效率上面計較樂趣
玩到後面都是打造自己心目中的機體
你看肌肉哥的怪異天賦為什麼都玩得起來 還一堆人愛抄又沒抄好
每一種遊戲就是會有一種追求效率型的玩家 他不管玩什麼就是要追求效率
WOW1.0就是時時刻刻在提醒你 嘿!偶爾放慢腳步 看看周圍的人事物
遊戲內不跟人交流的人到哪裡還是都不會跟人交流
環境已經給你了 EQ那種更過份 就是逼你組隊 玩的不亦樂乎的人大有人在
WOW 1版天賦問題還不大 因為各個職業各有術業專攻
每個職業都有專職設計師下去體驗
例如你不會苛求一個德魯依要做到有賊的輸出或有牧師的治療或戰士的群坦仇恨
可是在前期副本 不小心ADD或者是4以上菁英的組合他可以直接扛一隻
讓隊伍壓力縮小很多
2版之後就常常教你怎麼點天賦 且這個版本技能跟天賦在PVP跟PVE還沒分界清楚
導致天賦每一次的patch都有手術成功病人已死的笑話出來
這個問題一直延續到3版 導致BZ自己推的3V3競技組合變成萬年2組隊抗
賊法牧/戰聖德 3版變成三鎧 每一次比賽就是看這兩個組合在打
玩家已經說了多久要PVP跟PVE的能效果分開 講到現在還是沒做好
再說到LIVE版本 又搞了一個M+計時賽
請問有戰賊賊僧德以外的組合秀過嗎
特異功能先不說 連坦克/治療都要比傷害 請問這是哪個阿三工程師設計出來的?
: 推 Yanrei: 後來三選一算是很不錯的做法了,只是Bz後期平衡也做不到 09/02 19:50
: → safy: 你用11 21 31當作關鍵分水嶺的話, 經典版也只是 3/3/3的容 09/02 19:54
: → safy: 器內,有四個天賦點, 看你要3/1/0 2/2/0 這樣子的思考而已 09/02 19:54
: → safy: BZ其實也是可以移除被動就這樣改, 也就是過了7版多7點 09/02 19:56
: → safy: 但從7版開始,官方就有意把這些東西轉移到裝備而非角色身上 09/02 19:57
: 推 ppit: 前幾版的天賦真的比較有趣味 09/02 20:01
: → Despairile: 今天太多議題可以發文 但後來想想算了 09/02 20:06
: → Despairile: 天賦的問題我的想法是 既然1-4版都沒問題 09/02 20:06
: → Despairile: 5-7就有問題其實頗問號的 可以改成2-3等取得一天賦點 09/02 20:06
: → Despairile: 要學POE也可以 實際上天賦加多少%跟後來藍鐵的 09/02 20:07
: → Despairile: 提升多少%X職業的Y技能傷害很類似 09/02 20:08
: 推 ppit: 一樣勝敗是比大小,骰子跟圍棋的可玩性差很多 09/02 20:08
: → Despairile: 今天說東西變少會比較好平衡 實際上並沒有 09/02 20:08
: 推 orz65535: 以前一頁天賦50點扣掉大招大概有30%是改良技能缺陷 09/02 20:13
: → orz65535: (現今已直接內建) 50%是角色強化(現今等級到自動學習) 09/02 20:13
: → orz65535: 剩下20%是其他(生活品質/生存/PVP/團隊取向) 09/02 20:14
: 推 orz65535: 換句話說 至少80%以前天賦樹的內容都內建了 再把大招 09/02 20:19
: → orz65535: 跟非輸出取向的做延伸變成多層三選一 09/02 20:20
: 推 mushroomface: 天賦加多少%和瀾鐵改動根本不一樣 天賦會不斷疊加 09/02 21:42
: 噓 Srwx: 純噓學POE 沒平衡可言的設計學了要死更快嗎.... 09/02 21:52
Diablo Like這個類型的遊戲告訴你 爽GAME根本不需要平衡 只要不太誇張
POE 組隊挖礦都不知道挖到地心了沒
你看D3每個賽季都在平衡有被廣大玩家青睞過?
你有一個賽季玩到很專 知道被熱修技能是因為單人天梯或多人天梯而修的嗎?
這種爽GAME的平衡要就是把弱的提升上來 而不應該直接把一種玩法直接弄死
: → collie303: 3.0ICC後的天賦加成真的猛 熊D破釜直接30萬血爆炸成長 09/02 22:01
: 推 infinite1234: 我是比較希望把天賦主動技直接給玩家 天賦改全被動 09/02 23:38
: → infinite1234: 然後像D3一樣 自己在十幾種被動中選4-5個搭配meta 09/02 23:39
: → infinite1234: 這樣開新版也可以繼續加被動天賦 09/02 23:41
最後面我要再提一點 玩法有很多種 只是你沒想到 不需要去眼紅
私服專精的玩家 15年來就是一直膩在這個版本 有什麼神奇的玩法我都不意外
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