近代賽套牌造價 - 魔法風雲會

Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2015-06-12T23:17

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我先講結論:魔風最近印了近代大師2,這其實是卡商的暗中操作...

http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/innistrad/snapcaster-mage

自寶船被禁之後,迅咒法師簡直銳不可擋

從幾週前的50鎂,前幾天上升到73鎂,到現在創下84鎂的新高!!!

迅咒法師:『今年的我,沒有極限』



http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/modern-masters/blood-moon

接著是重印了4次的腥紅之月

最近血月的業績一路長紅,在各式帶紅的正編/備牌中發揮極大的效用

只要在正確的時間點,它就有一擊定勝負的實力

目前最便宜的版本,也具有均價47鎂的戰力

腥紅之月:『我還要再打十個』



以及新‧近代四天王的崛起

http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/dragons-of-tarkir/collected-company
http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/morningtide/heritage-druid
http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/mirrodin/oblivion-stone
http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/mirrodin-besieged/inkmoth-nexus
http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/new-phyrexia/deceiver-exarch


看完這幾張 再加上Liliana of the Veil跟Tarmogoyf

小弟直覺不妙,照現在這價格,能便宜入手的套牌不就只剩純白了嗎?

於是便快速翻閱TCG的資料庫 整理一下目前Modern各套牌的入手門檻

到此,如果對套牌價錢/內容沒興趣的 就可以直接End看結論兼吐槽了

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以下為套牌清單,照TCG Player英文字母序排列

※為節省筆者的時間,以MO(4-0) & 有進8強的為主,套牌連結隨機挑選

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Abzan Collected Company

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238533
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238628
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240860

概念類似舊的誕生莢,造價$650~$800

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239817
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1237263

不過也有放塔莫的版本:$1150左右

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Abzan Midrange

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236097
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236098
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1237256

套牌之王(卡價觀點),$1800~2100左右

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Ad Nauseam Unlife

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240852

$400~500,抽滿手牌後,用一發Lightning Storm直擊對手

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Affinity

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240861

套牌數量眾多沒看完,$650~800,價差應該是來自於備牌

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Amulet of Vigor

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1241215

不用變魔術也有一定實力的組合計,$600~650
可以只有53張的套牌

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Bogles

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1237399

白綠靈氣,聖騎士型的套牌 $450~550

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Elves(Company)

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239831
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238538

$300~500,沒甚麼研究,套牌總價決定於地牌

(樹林 vs 找地地/遍野林冠/洞窟)

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Esper

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240847
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238243
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238536

目前較少人打的3色,就是將這3色的強牌放進來做雜燴,有各種型態

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Gifts Tron

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236616

$600~700 也有人稱做WU控

最常打法是,用禮物將挖墳&控場生物棄到墳場後再返照

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Grixis Control

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238632
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236359
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236352

$1100~1300,也是3色強牌的概念

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Grixis Delver

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1237262

$700~1000,熱門套牌之一

每附套牌的生物/咒語配置都不太一樣,可以自己研究看看

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Jeskai Midrange

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239821
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239822

$1200~1300曾經的主流之一,掘穴重出後就開始下滑?

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Jund

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238531
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238627

也是卡價王,$1800~2200

據說Pro Tour Player的親信都不會翻到金牙

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Living End

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239815

$250~400,要是Living End 抽太多就會變成悲劇

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Merfolk

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1241218
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238629

$350~500,要小心有地窖的對手(Lord of Atlantis...)

另外算獻力時別忘了海域蔓延

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Monoblue Tron

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240855
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239844

$400~550,湊套速度不快,各種大招/大生物的比例可以自己調整

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Naya/Domain Zoo

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238546
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239756
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238195

$350~1500用Wild Nacatl等優質小生物打人的快攻,有沒有塔莫的價差很大

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Burn(RW/Naya/RG等)

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238530
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1237261
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236181
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240864
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239839

$350~700 簡單易懂,一直打人臉的套牌

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Pyromancer Ascension

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240843
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238021
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240864

$400~600 複雜的套牌,請小心不要打錯(笑)

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RG Tron

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1241189
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238541

$750~800 平均3.5回湊套做大招

雖然紅的成分少,Grove of the Burnwillows又很貴

但純綠/藍綠tron的表現相對比較差

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(Temur)Scapeshift

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238259
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236275

$750~1000,一邊康一邊找地的套牌


因山脈數量有限,找錯地有時會很麻煩,另外有些人混了禮物

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Shadow Aggro

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238264

$500~550,自殺流套牌,碰上有燒的套牌可能莫名其妙就會輸掉

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Soul Sisters

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238274

$250~$500,利用補血做出很多塔莫級別的生物來打人

對欺瞞督教有抗性

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Splinter Twin(RU/Grixis/Temur)

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240452
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240229
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1241214
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1238634
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1239714

$600~1400,每附放的咒語都不盡相同

Temur Twin大約$2000

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Infect

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1240857
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1236184

$600~800,比較像是組合技套牌,有2回殺的手順

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以下結論:雖然近代賽中還有許多套牌,但以上列出的參考應該足夠了

經過這波價格起伏後,目前這賽制的入門價格大約是NT$10K~20K左右

而黑綠底的則上看50~60K

筆者認為:就如同潑出去的水難收回一般 目前的卡價很難再跌回1個月前

頂多是賽季/熱潮後跌個25~50%



對於已經入坑的玩家 那恭喜你 在漲價前就湊齊了套牌

對於絕不會入坑的玩家 那也無妨 卡商給了不用入坑的大義名分

台灣收牌的管道不少 買不到牌絕不是沒法組Modern的藉口



至於目前還在收牌/觀望的玩家 可以評估自己的荷包後

跟其他人討論看看吧

有貼Modern套牌的網站很多 這邊先隨意列2個

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck_search_result.asp?Format=Modern

http://www.starcitygames.com/pages/decklists/

台灣的Card*a**er也不定期會貼一些近代套牌

可以去他們的網站參考看看

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All Comments

Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2015-06-15T23:45
寶船什麼時候解禁的?
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2015-06-16T04:43
打錯了 感謝提醒
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2015-06-19T23:12
當初聽到假消息說MM2要重印嚮導時 差點暈過去~
George avatar
By George
at 2015-06-20T20:50
現在Modern deck價錢跟四五年前1.5差不多的感覺...
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2015-06-25T09:35
為了一副牌投入好幾萬塊錢 我辦不到
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2015-06-29T17:40
你覺得不值得就別投,有人覺得值得就投,就這樣
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2015-06-30T21:51
再說,早買早享受,玩一玩再賣掉其實你也沒虧多少錢吧
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2015-07-01T08:55
"Pro Tour Player的親信都不會翻到金牙" 被親信連抽六回合
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2015-07-02T19:46
一滴血都沒扣過的就被打死了....orz
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2015-07-06T21:22
樓上狀況好像似曾相似!!
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2015-07-06T22:24
從當年標準 Hit & Run 就證明了親信是真高手向的牌 XDDD
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2015-07-10T09:16
這參考價格不準 對色找地地有很多都可以用臨色取代
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2015-07-13T09:37
侵染沒放海島 用白綠.紅綠找地地代替黑綠 藍綠就省很多
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2015-07-13T20:19
還算挺完整...樓上侵染有PO兩副~~600鎂那副就是用紅綠跟白
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2015-07-13T22:08
綠取代藍綠(只放1張),所以嚴格說參考價格還算準確
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2015-07-18T01:07
微妙的是幾乎沒有一張料重出的走骨和人魚反而繼續墊底
重出最完整的共鳴卡價已經轉移到其他牌身上了
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2015-07-22T22:50
其實這次有些牌會飆破天是有原因的...MM2其實沒有完整補足
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2015-07-26T12:40
任何一副套牌~~相反MM2只補了每一種套牌的一部分
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2015-07-27T03:22
應該說沒補足的是官方刻意要留給卡商一條後路(刺探,預示
)誰知道卡商炒價的能力遠超乎想像,再這樣的話MM3可能會
來的更快也說不定!?Y
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2015-07-29T05:27
老許真是越來越專業了
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2015-08-03T02:29
例如MM2補最多就像是格利極掘秘師之類~~結果開MM2的每個人
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2015-08-04T23:28
都幾乎有一副URB掘祕師..結果每個人都差迅咒~~迅咒就飛天了
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2015-08-09T11:59
摘自民明書房刊「你不可不知的老許思考領域」
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2015-08-13T21:11
推造價!
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2015-08-18T15:32
有造價給推XD
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2015-08-19T06:05
期待迅咒一張比HTC一張貴的時候到來
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2015-08-23T10:21
哥玩的是期貨game
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2015-08-27T21:56
推期貨Game
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2015-08-31T19:31
奧札奇都掉了 EDH快收
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2015-09-03T23:46
期貨game xd
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2015-09-05T09:18
推文說近代套牌貴的,怎麼不想你標準每年要花多少錢更
新,打近代的一次花個兩萬左右就有一副能一直打下去的
套牌,真的有貴到哪?
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2015-09-06T15:52
再等三年說不定有MM2018,繼續重印
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2015-09-11T02:58
重點是你花了2萬塊,玩了一年,轉手賣可能還是2萬..
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2015-09-15T15:10
標準的你花了5千,打了一年,轉手要賣時大概只剩5百
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2015-09-17T23:01
結論:任何賽制除了近代以外應該廢除?
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2015-09-20T10:34
結論: J33閉嘴!? 開玩笑的..
William avatar
By William
at 2015-09-22T11:44
結論: edh最好玩了~
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2015-09-23T23:36
轉手要賣的時候剩五百 放個幾年又回到五千wwwww
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2015-09-27T13:06
轉手要賣的時候剩五百 放個幾年又回到五千xd
所以魔風鼓勵長期持有?
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2015-09-30T05:01
是鼓勵玩家要動腦 不要像你j330一樣

路人套牌科技:論命控制(近代)

Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2015-06-12T21:59
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By Lily
at 2015-06-10T21:25
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