請問各位主輸出的高手們 - 鬥陣特攻
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※ 引述《hkups8 (我極猛)》之銘言:
: 我想問的問題是因為我的牌位並不高(2000左右而已)而我很想爬分。我認為如果我玩輸出角比較能發揮我的作用,但是因為每次選角隊友都是先選他們想玩的位子,所以到最後我就只能玩補。
: 想請問版上各位主輸出的高手們是如何讓隊友相信你的實力,把輸出位讓給你。
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my iPhone
我發現不管是PTT、巴哈姆特,舉凡各個OW的討論區都會有類似問題。
但是事實上比較合乎基本邏輯的解是:
"你的__位(角色)有這個區間或以上的實力當然就選這個爬分啊"
爬分 = 你的實力(表現)高過此區間 , 長期而看分數自然向上
我想這個邏輯很簡單大家都懂。 但是原PO肯定會想說這哪有這麼簡單
"我認為輸出才能發揮我的實力,可是情況是隊友都拿走我只好去補位"
這是OW目前一個很有趣的現象:
"在222的基礎框架下,輸出位(DPS)僧多粥少,但是大家也都理解222是基本框架"
BZ目前把這個遊戲各角色都算設計的功能性獨特,也非常注重團隊合作
這當然也自然產生了2坦2補2輸出的基礎框架,我想大家應該基本上都認同
"在實力差不多的情況下,一個比較完整(坦補輸出)的陣容占了很多優勢"
我們應該常常看到這種說法:啊輸出都打不下XXX、輸出都沒在做事怎麼打
這是一個很難解的問題:
1.如果他本來就是輸出位才有這個區間實力的人,你把他調到坦輔情況也不會變好。
因為他的坦輔的實力假如太糟糕,你們的輸出一樣沒有空間發揮。
假設有一個玩家都沒在做事0作用,"那他不管是哪個位置你們都一樣慘"
輸出0作用 = 給不了對方前排壓力、抓不掉對方輔助、對方輸出爽打輔助爽補坦克爽控
輔助0作用 = 前排容易倒>沒前排戰線就崩,對方輸出爽抓輔助能量多
坦克0作用 = 輔助集不了大、自家輸出和輔助沒空間被輾過
2.你也是輸出才有這區間實力的,你被迫補位
這就是很多問題很難解的原因,你被迫補位的結果就是跟對面的MAIN坦補會有差距
雙方坦補差距很大會不會差很多,幹當然會啊!
你確定換了你輸出情況會更好? 他要是坦補超爛你也一樣沒空間打
這個問題的源頭在於"你們隊伍主MAIN重複性太高,所以發揮不了每個人的完整實力"
你們這隊就是平均2500分卻只能拿出2000分的實力打,要是對方有2400的實力那輸非常
正常。
"當一個6人隊伍裡面有3~4個MAIN輸出就會發揮不了每個人的實力,因為會被迫補位"
只要Meta沒有變成141的情況,上面那個隊伍肯定爬不了分
更何況目前meta是312,傳統輸出位置開的缺更少 = 基本要求更高
因為只有你一個人了,其他原本也MAIN輸出的看你打得不怎麼樣怎麼可能好受?
綜合以上我們可以得出一個簡單的東西:
"如果你只會一個位置(尤其是輸出位),你的爬分沒有多排並不容易"
因為你很難匹配的到另外MAIN兩坦兩輔的隊友,你非常有可能搜到4個MAIN輸出的.....
然後就是
1.前期:缺坦補,XX可換嗎?
2.中期:幹你XX真的不太會,別在選XX了,GG
3.結束畫面:(上論壇靠邀)哀隊友都在雷,媽的單排真的靠運氣
如果你MAIN坦輔,你要匹配到完整陣容很明顯比MAIN輸出容易....
因為目前看起來2000~3000很明顯MAIN坦補的人的數量跟輸出有差距
很少看到鑽石大師以上在PO文靠邀隊上輸出不做事or打不下雙飛,例如我主玩副坦
,假設隊友76打不好,就算換我來很可能更糟糕,因為我輸出位就沒有3000以上的實力
所以幾乎很少去怪說輸出都不做事
單排絕對能夠爬分,越是在每一場都幾乎能發揮實力的人(適應性好)越是能在單排爬分
多少單排坦補(前陣子還有一篇單排路西歐銅牌到大師的國外玩家VOD)能爬分,輸出當然
也能單排爬分,但是若你能打兩個位置,而且程度都不會和你的區間差太多,那你爬分
的容易度絕對遠超只能打一個位置。
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: 我想問的問題是因為我的牌位並不高(2000左右而已)而我很想爬分。我認為如果我玩輸出角比較能發揮我的作用,但是因為每次選角隊友都是先選他們想玩的位子,所以到最後我就只能玩補。
: 想請問版上各位主輸出的高手們是如何讓隊友相信你的實力,把輸出位讓給你。
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my iPhone
我發現不管是PTT、巴哈姆特,舉凡各個OW的討論區都會有類似問題。
但是事實上比較合乎基本邏輯的解是:
"你的__位(角色)有這個區間或以上的實力當然就選這個爬分啊"
爬分 = 你的實力(表現)高過此區間 , 長期而看分數自然向上
我想這個邏輯很簡單大家都懂。 但是原PO肯定會想說這哪有這麼簡單
"我認為輸出才能發揮我的實力,可是情況是隊友都拿走我只好去補位"
這是OW目前一個很有趣的現象:
"在222的基礎框架下,輸出位(DPS)僧多粥少,但是大家也都理解222是基本框架"
BZ目前把這個遊戲各角色都算設計的功能性獨特,也非常注重團隊合作
這當然也自然產生了2坦2補2輸出的基礎框架,我想大家應該基本上都認同
"在實力差不多的情況下,一個比較完整(坦補輸出)的陣容占了很多優勢"
我們應該常常看到這種說法:啊輸出都打不下XXX、輸出都沒在做事怎麼打
這是一個很難解的問題:
1.如果他本來就是輸出位才有這個區間實力的人,你把他調到坦輔情況也不會變好。
因為他的坦輔的實力假如太糟糕,你們的輸出一樣沒有空間發揮。
假設有一個玩家都沒在做事0作用,"那他不管是哪個位置你們都一樣慘"
輸出0作用 = 給不了對方前排壓力、抓不掉對方輔助、對方輸出爽打輔助爽補坦克爽控
輔助0作用 = 前排容易倒>沒前排戰線就崩,對方輸出爽抓輔助能量多
坦克0作用 = 輔助集不了大、自家輸出和輔助沒空間被輾過
2.你也是輸出才有這區間實力的,你被迫補位
這就是很多問題很難解的原因,你被迫補位的結果就是跟對面的MAIN坦補會有差距
雙方坦補差距很大會不會差很多,幹當然會啊!
你確定換了你輸出情況會更好? 他要是坦補超爛你也一樣沒空間打
這個問題的源頭在於"你們隊伍主MAIN重複性太高,所以發揮不了每個人的完整實力"
你們這隊就是平均2500分卻只能拿出2000分的實力打,要是對方有2400的實力那輸非常
正常。
"當一個6人隊伍裡面有3~4個MAIN輸出就會發揮不了每個人的實力,因為會被迫補位"
只要Meta沒有變成141的情況,上面那個隊伍肯定爬不了分
更何況目前meta是312,傳統輸出位置開的缺更少 = 基本要求更高
因為只有你一個人了,其他原本也MAIN輸出的看你打得不怎麼樣怎麼可能好受?
綜合以上我們可以得出一個簡單的東西:
"如果你只會一個位置(尤其是輸出位),你的爬分沒有多排並不容易"
因為你很難匹配的到另外MAIN兩坦兩輔的隊友,你非常有可能搜到4個MAIN輸出的.....
然後就是
1.前期:缺坦補,XX可換嗎?
2.中期:幹你XX真的不太會,別在選XX了,GG
3.結束畫面:(上論壇靠邀)哀隊友都在雷,媽的單排真的靠運氣
如果你MAIN坦輔,你要匹配到完整陣容很明顯比MAIN輸出容易....
因為目前看起來2000~3000很明顯MAIN坦補的人的數量跟輸出有差距
很少看到鑽石大師以上在PO文靠邀隊上輸出不做事or打不下雙飛,例如我主玩副坦
,假設隊友76打不好,就算換我來很可能更糟糕,因為我輸出位就沒有3000以上的實力
所以幾乎很少去怪說輸出都不做事
單排絕對能夠爬分,越是在每一場都幾乎能發揮實力的人(適應性好)越是能在單排爬分
多少單排坦補(前陣子還有一篇單排路西歐銅牌到大師的國外玩家VOD)能爬分,輸出當然
也能單排爬分,但是若你能打兩個位置,而且程度都不會和你的區間差太多,那你爬分
的容易度絕對遠超只能打一個位置。
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