要求PS4等級性能在2021年會很過分嗎? - Switch

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※ 引述《liner1989 (liner)》之銘言:
: → krousxchen: 我覺得重點不是4K,而是PS4等級性能 07/07 15:19
: 標題打4k可以把人吸進來啊
因為開串者本身就是故意引戰,所以我就改標題了
先分兩種人,一種人是要求半代強化機,另一種人是要求次世代NS
不能用「妄想要求畫面」來罵要求半代強化機的人,他們要的是不LAG
而希望有半代強化機的人,無非就是兩個論點
1.很多遊戲都開始LAG 2.3DS有new版強化
其實連PS4也被吐嘈過性能不足,所以才會推出PS4 Pro,所以NS被嫌也合理
但是否就會有強化版呢?其實所謂的「電力加強版/Lite」用的就是 強化版X1 = X1+
X1+是可以在相同程度的耗電量下,達到更高的時脈
也就是其實電加版本身就能作成 new版強化機 ,但老任選擇不作
要搞new版的話,直接電加版弄個效能模式解放時脈就好,還不用另外出新機型
所以2019年在電加版推出時,我自已是判斷不存在另外再出強化版的可能性
只剩下 次世代機 暫稱「NS2」 的可能性
那回到題旨,到底PS4等級性能能不能在NS2上面實現
這邊先作好一個前提,也就是推出時間點
很多人覺得作不到PS4等級的掌機,其實這也只是推出時間點的問題
NS原版是2017年3月、電力加強版/Lite是2019年7月、OLED版是2021年10月
三者都約相差兩年,那下一台新機(應該是NS2)應該會在2023年底會有消息
NS性能約為PS3等級,而PS3是2006年11月、NS是2017年3月,約差十年
PS4是2013年11月,跟NS2預計時間的2023年底也約差十年
而當年PS3是索尼在性能追求上的成魔階段,也導致其超高的價格599美金還血虧
PS4則是399美金就不虧本,所以PS3到PS4其實性能差距沒那麼大
再來是ARM晶片的性能在2015年(X1是2015年的晶片)之後也一直在進步
會有人說M1、SnapDragon之類的高級晶片進步快,但NS在成本考量下不會用
但六個因素
1.ARM高級晶片進步,也會帶動中下的晶片進步,就像中低階安卓也變的堪用了
因為NS的地瓜也是ARM,所以對照ARM的進步其實很正常
尤其X1的ARM還只是用ARM公版
而且製程上的進步,也會使得耗電量下降,NS也從原版20nm進步到電加版的16nm
2023年底,很可能10nm也跟2017年用20nm差不多成本了
2.X1其實跟同年A9X性能同級,只是NS過了兩年才用X1,而M1其實就是A14X/Z
兩年後如果真的出NS2,那很有可能就是用今年公布的地瓜Orin
雖然Orin的浮點數還沒有資料,但照之前幾代的成長速度來看,差不多PS4等級
甚至因為支援更新的特效,超過PS4也很合理
3.地瓜到現在還被酸是手機不用的垃圾,它不適合手機沒錯,但它很適合給NS使用
NS的分離式手把JC其實很好的避開了高發熱的問題,甚至NS有手機沒有的主動散熱
NS的家機模式也適合給高耗電的地瓜使用
也因為NS能比手機平版更高的耗電,比同級手機平版畫面性能更好沒啥問題
4.NS是遊戲機,所以可以比其他ARM產品以更低的性能作到更高的畫面表現
有人提到M1時,就說沒有3A遊戲,所以它的性能比PS4差(!?)
照這個邏輯,NS有DOOM、Witcher3等3A,手機沒有,所以手機性能比NS差嗎?
5.地瓜一直有更新,在X1之後還有X2、Xavier、Orin、Altan
很多人說Xavier之後都是車用,但事實上地瓜本身就那個SoC
車用就是地瓜另外加上一堆東西罷了,不在車上用就只用本身的地瓜SoC就好
甚至就算後面的SoC成本太高,還是可以砍核心,另作一個版本給NS2用
PS45XB1S還不是也拿AMD APU砍掉一堆遊戲用不到的東西
6.當年NS上市我也聽過299美金太貴的說法,結果賣的很好
甚至OLED版賣到了349美金,到時NS2上市很有可能賣到399美金
那麼NS2會不會有PS4等級性能?
我會說應該超過,甚至希望能超過的更多點,不然現在連PS4都被嫌拖垮畫面了
就算到時NS2只是PS4等級性能,一樣還是會被酸性能不足
如果NS2超過PS4,至少還有PS4墊背(!?)
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: → krousxchen: 我覺得重點不是4K,而是PS4等級性能 07/07 15:19
: 標題打4k可以把人吸進來啊
因為開串者本身就是故意引戰,所以我就改標題了
先分兩種人,一種人是要求半代強化機,另一種人是要求次世代NS
不能用「妄想要求畫面」來罵要求半代強化機的人,他們要的是不LAG
而希望有半代強化機的人,無非就是兩個論點
1.很多遊戲都開始LAG 2.3DS有new版強化
其實連PS4也被吐嘈過性能不足,所以才會推出PS4 Pro,所以NS被嫌也合理
但是否就會有強化版呢?其實所謂的「電力加強版/Lite」用的就是 強化版X1 = X1+
X1+是可以在相同程度的耗電量下,達到更高的時脈
也就是其實電加版本身就能作成 new版強化機 ,但老任選擇不作
要搞new版的話,直接電加版弄個效能模式解放時脈就好,還不用另外出新機型
所以2019年在電加版推出時,我自已是判斷不存在另外再出強化版的可能性
只剩下 次世代機 暫稱「NS2」 的可能性
那回到題旨,到底PS4等級性能能不能在NS2上面實現
這邊先作好一個前提,也就是推出時間點
很多人覺得作不到PS4等級的掌機,其實這也只是推出時間點的問題
NS原版是2017年3月、電力加強版/Lite是2019年7月、OLED版是2021年10月
三者都約相差兩年,那下一台新機(應該是NS2)應該會在2023年底會有消息
NS性能約為PS3等級,而PS3是2006年11月、NS是2017年3月,約差十年
PS4是2013年11月,跟NS2預計時間的2023年底也約差十年
而當年PS3是索尼在性能追求上的成魔階段,也導致其超高的價格599美金還血虧
PS4則是399美金就不虧本,所以PS3到PS4其實性能差距沒那麼大
再來是ARM晶片的性能在2015年(X1是2015年的晶片)之後也一直在進步
會有人說M1、SnapDragon之類的高級晶片進步快,但NS在成本考量下不會用
但六個因素
1.ARM高級晶片進步,也會帶動中下的晶片進步,就像中低階安卓也變的堪用了
因為NS的地瓜也是ARM,所以對照ARM的進步其實很正常
尤其X1的ARM還只是用ARM公版
而且製程上的進步,也會使得耗電量下降,NS也從原版20nm進步到電加版的16nm
2023年底,很可能10nm也跟2017年用20nm差不多成本了
2.X1其實跟同年A9X性能同級,只是NS過了兩年才用X1,而M1其實就是A14X/Z
兩年後如果真的出NS2,那很有可能就是用今年公布的地瓜Orin
雖然Orin的浮點數還沒有資料,但照之前幾代的成長速度來看,差不多PS4等級
甚至因為支援更新的特效,超過PS4也很合理
3.地瓜到現在還被酸是手機不用的垃圾,它不適合手機沒錯,但它很適合給NS使用
NS的分離式手把JC其實很好的避開了高發熱的問題,甚至NS有手機沒有的主動散熱
NS的家機模式也適合給高耗電的地瓜使用
也因為NS能比手機平版更高的耗電,比同級手機平版畫面性能更好沒啥問題
4.NS是遊戲機,所以可以比其他ARM產品以更低的性能作到更高的畫面表現
有人提到M1時,就說沒有3A遊戲,所以它的性能比PS4差(!?)
照這個邏輯,NS有DOOM、Witcher3等3A,手機沒有,所以手機性能比NS差嗎?
5.地瓜一直有更新,在X1之後還有X2、Xavier、Orin、Altan
很多人說Xavier之後都是車用,但事實上地瓜本身就那個SoC
車用就是地瓜另外加上一堆東西罷了,不在車上用就只用本身的地瓜SoC就好
甚至就算後面的SoC成本太高,還是可以砍核心,另作一個版本給NS2用
PS45XB1S還不是也拿AMD APU砍掉一堆遊戲用不到的東西
6.當年NS上市我也聽過299美金太貴的說法,結果賣的很好
甚至OLED版賣到了349美金,到時NS2上市很有可能賣到399美金
那麼NS2會不會有PS4等級性能?
我會說應該超過,甚至希望能超過的更多點,不然現在連PS4都被嫌拖垮畫面了
就算到時NS2只是PS4等級性能,一樣還是會被酸性能不足
如果NS2超過PS4,至少還有PS4墊背(!?)
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