桌遊版交易文雜談(感恩贈遊戲活動) - 桌遊
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版上最近為了絕版抬價賣的少數機車人,吵的開支散葉火氣很大
連我的ID都被人指名呢
和緩一下氣氛讓大家呼點溫暖口號
辦個推文送遊戲小活動好了,店到店運費我出
至7/2號23:00止
本文的第71推的版友我送他仙境夢遊一套
猜中為啥選第71的版友我送他馬王爭霸一套(和籃球有關)
不到71推就最後一位推文者我一樣送出感恩禮
推文內容沒限制, 重複推也行啦 我沒時間剔除重複的去算
沒什麼想說的就推「本板請勿炒價,心得文請多鼓勵,交易文我有看」
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望著身後那一房遊戲,蠻大部分都是從本版二手市場購得
懷念著前些年一看到不認識的遊戲猛查本版和BGG網站做功課
搶第一時間私信,喜孜孜的把買來的遊戲推給幾個團的朋友玩
讓他們知道有這麼多"過時"遊戲、"冷門"遊戲是多麼的有趣
玩完推一堆朋友入坑也是頗有爽感
鑽石俱樂部、佩加蒙、陰謀大亂鬥、娜芙蒂蒂、Sleuth、
Hare & Tortoise、Archaeology The Card Game、
Strasbourg、Pastiche、Vikings、追求幸福人生etc...應該謀殺了朋友不少荷包XD
也有許多買不到了只好安慰團友至少我在你身邊(咦!好像歌名XD)
近來時間稍微少一些也忙一些,很久沒在本版買賣了,
連在FB跳蚤市場上的便宜好遊戲也搶不太到了
但高頻率的關照交易的資訊,猛力的研究
我的確是這樣子走過來的
這樣高密度的的研究與購買如我,或許不是主流
但應該有不少人是用隨興的逛交易文像逛百貨一般的使用著
現下,本版的二手市場應該已經退居台灣第二大,FB的跳蚤市場已經變成流量第一
因為FB雖然有更容易被其他交易文洗文的問題,但畢竟連絡與給照片方便多了
更沒有許多限制交易的版規造成的不便
(附帶說我不反對版規管制交易文喔!只是不喜歡什麼重複5款不行這條而已
,始終如一的立場哩),所以大多有好料的賣家都會先去FB跳蚤賣一波,
FB賣不掉的遊戲,賣家或許就偶爾拿來本版貼一下碰點運氣這樣
導致於本版交易文其實可看性是比以往低不少
許多老版友感懷心得規則文太少 過錯歸咎於交易文(這議題我待會分析)
但我想先說的是其實我思考比較歪,感嘆的是交易文沒辦法像以前那麼有看頭了QQ
某程度上本版交易文的確是如部分版友所期望的漸漸消失了(我是說有看頭的)
這是對比到FB跳蚤市場文章的成長幅度 加上 桌遊市場的擴張幅度去說的
我平常心看待這個現象,但要交易文背負打壓心得文原罪這我非常不能接受(一樣後詳敘)
最近因極少數明顯想靠賣稀有桌遊賺一手的賣家(我只記得luckyboy)
我要公開譴責,雖說我同意買賣雙方都願意交易就沒有誰受害的問題
桌遊資訊易取得,買賣雙方很難說誰比較有資訊優勢
但本版畢竟還是要禁營利,雖說有現實上不易判斷的困難
但款款都比國內店頭價貴,實在很難說賣家當初就是這麼冤大頭一直買貴吧= =
要高調賺二手財,請到其他平台
至於部分版友主張二手交易=營利 or
市場機制(供需法則)就是市場=營利 都須禁止的說法
感覺是對這些名詞本身在經濟學與法律上容有誤會= =
在kaseno版友前一天的文章#1NSh5GEb中,
可以看出(?)心得規則文減少,交易文增加的趨勢
因而推斷交易文應該離開另開新版避免洗掉好文章,讓心得規則文可以恢復榮光
另外也質疑小弟我主張桌遊版人氣是靠交易文撐???
我從來沒這麼說過呀= =? 我的立場一直是主張交易文離開人氣會"下降"
心中的估值大概就是120→90這樣的掉,而且逛的人停留的時間會變短這樣
停留時間變短,若心得規則文的更新不夠快不夠多,連逛進來的頻率都會持續降低
然後本版就持續的衰退
其實我也沒那麼Care人氣幾人,是Care人氣降之後引發的"連鎖現象"!!!!
我沒有說大家只看交易文,交易文最偉大人氣王這種話= =
我相信大部分的版友,是交易文、心得文、規則文都會去看吧
就每個人調配的比重不一而已,也沒有版友說他只看交易文阿......
尊重一下大家不同的需求嘛
想把交易文摒除,在BBS操作上也有方法呀!
這幾年本版文章量持續維持一天兩頁多,要搞分流實在是有點太早
或許等到文章一天五六頁,再來討論分流問題我也支持分了
不過到那時,本版會不會出現新問題叫作:把揪團文分流出去?????
說到揪團文,怎麼沒有人想到成長幅度最大的搞不好是揪團文哩
看了這幾年版,隨著桌遊市場增長,有教學力的團長也增加
也有許多店家偷渡揪團實為廣告的貼文
各種原因導致揪團文也大孳生
但心得規則文減少的現象就一直歸咎在交易文"洗文"
那揪團文也是洗阿就沒人想到它呢 為啥阿我超好奇的???????????????
而且揪團文看的人會比其他文多嗎? (謎之音:不是阿瓦好難揪!)
講這個可能會誤會我討厭揪團文....但沒有阿! 我根本揪團大戶XDD
回到心得文規則文減少這現象,我也有我的觀察啦!
敝人一年前的文章https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/BoardGame/M.1423078363.A.659.html
已經說了一些
除了推文數量每況愈下導致沒啥動力續貼以外
※中文版狂"預告"要出
※新遊戲出太快玩都來不及,尤其是ks XD
※貼規則文還被廠商要求下架的鳥事
※貼部落格沒人吵,傳圖方便,流量幾人來看過也可知道,自己爽一點(相比本板而言)
※貼FB還可以順便經營粉絲團按讚成就感也挺好
※FB也有小柴大主持的翻譯社團可以貼,讚也多
※以為自己的文章會被洗所以沒動力
文章被洗????等等...這認真這樣想嗎?
所有的文章都被洗阿 速度根本一樣不是嗎?
為什麼店家廣告文、推薦遊戲文、集資文、戰文都還是一堆推文????
阿就沒人推而已阿! 和洗不洗沒關係
規則心得文很多人都是等要買要玩之前蒐一下
那個時候也大概隔很久懶得推了......
不是說文章差啦,
就大家沒玩過沒得買還不想買之前也不知道要講啥而且文章通常比較長= =
推文說"感謝熱心分享"又羞覺俗套(←這是我自己催眠自己樂觀猜測= =)
其實放大眼界用google找一下,心得文是大成長的,
只是沒貼在PTT......
PTT有著他操作及介面上的限制先天不利無法改變
我們只能祈禱多給點推文鼓勵與討論增加點誘因
讓寫手們願意除了貼到其他平台以外,給PTT也沾沾光貼一下吧
最後,寫到很晚了,我想談談二手市場和推廣的關係
沒有好的二手市場,就會明顯更少人願意買大量遊戲嘗試+推坑
這不是一句你買就應該愛它,你錢花下去就不應該想有回收來反駁
因為你的"應該"是你自己的想法
你覺得沒錢就不要玩桌遊,你覺得沒錢買就去桌遊店玩桌遊
你覺得沒二手市場也還是有人會買桌遊玩桌遊
你覺得玩桌遊農神電波瓦玩到精也很快樂很足夠
這些想法都是你的沒對錯
但現實上就是買新遊戲的人少了,就更少人能接觸到不同的遊戲
在大多數人喜歡玩過再買的現實下,遊戲會不會難推坑?根本玩不到阿
店家根本只買熱門遊戲安全遊戲好教遊戲擺,一般人找誰玩到多元的遊戲?
二手市場一套流來流去廠商其實只賺到一套錢!!???
但好遊戲流來流去給不同玩家玩就是在推坑阿
一套流通的二手造就了多少玩過去買的市場阿阿!! 真是神奇的旅程~
流來流去還不推坑的爛遊戲,那活該廠商也只賺到一套不是嗎?
賣遊戲的"賣家"沒有多神聖!!這我可以同意
但在我心中"二手市場"這存在的現實就的確是有那崇高的推廣地位
我是不是和二手市場有自身利益的關係?? 有阿
我買遊戲就是考量有機會不夠喜歡時虧一些錢週轉回來買其他的遊戲
這有甚麼道德上要被譴責嗎???
需要被別人冠上:你不應該這麼想很糟糕是既得利益者的帽子
難不成你人生玩的遊戲都沒有朋友帶的???
朋友都沒有想過要賣?朋友都沒有想過不喜歡可以賣?
朋友都不知道桌遊有二手市場就買了一堆遊戲???
二手市場早就深植在玩家圈裡了
很多玩家不賣貌似用不上 (其實我賣的比率也很低很低......)
不代表這個圈子沒受過它好處
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