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我覺得已經獲得可以得到結論的測試結果了,感謝各位配合。
原本應該直接刪掉這篇,
但因為底下有remina和oginome兩位版友精闢影音相關的見解,故還是保留底下推文
想知道原本文章有什麼的人,不妨期待之後貼的R4攻略文吧。
……不過我會先貼皇家騎士團一代啦XD (這我跟兩個朋友約好了卻遲遲未寫XD)
而且奇奇怪界系列總共五個作品我還不知道要不要放在R4前面呢 0rz
嗚嗚……巫女跟好賽車作品的抉擇(汗)
◆ From: 218.169.51.173
→ remina:當然是用H.264/AVC mpeg1就算了吧 05/26 12:06
→ remina:上面這兩段都是被系統強制壓flv1 所以你丟啥都沒用 05/26 12:09
→ UlyssesLin:問題就是MPEG多13MB上傳會累哪XD 我也覺得都沒差 05/26 12:11
推 oginome:U大,這影片都被轉成FLV了,應該是無從分辨起了說 05/26 12:11
→ UlyssesLin:我家上傳還是256K的狀況 05/26 12:12
→ oginome:覺得有差的部份就無法得知是MPG和WMV的差別還是再次轉成 05/26 12:12
→ UlyssesLin:OK,無法分辨也是我想得到的答案之一 05/26 12:12
→ oginome:FLV的資料遺失~ 05/26 12:12
→ UlyssesLin:我單純只是考量容量大小=上傳速率的問題而已 05/26 12:13
→ UlyssesLin:兩位比較專業的區分點其實我這邊已經不在意 05/26 12:13
→ oginome:那U大找容量小的上傳應該就OK嚕~ 05/26 12:13
→ UlyssesLin:因為正如兩位說的,都轉成FLV1其實就那樣了 05/26 12:14
→ oginome:強烈支持U大的R4 Project! 05/26 12:14
※ 編輯: UlyssesLin 來自: 218.169.51.173 (05/26 12:17) → remina:國內目前支援影音的站幾乎都是強制重壓 05/26 12:16
→ remina:所以要玩,自己丟一份乾淨的source上去,得到的結果會更好 05/26 12:17
→ remina:既然這樣,那就是選H.264/AVC這壓縮率高,畫質又好的codec 05/26 12:17
→ UlyssesLin:樓上兩位抱歉再幫忙看一下我追加的一點,剛剛忘了寫 05/26 12:18
→ remina:不然丟nico也行,或者壓好現成的H.264/AVC+aac 放網頁空間 05/26 12:18
→ UlyssesLin:r兄的意思是選H.264/AVC格式再上傳較不會破壞畫質嗎? 05/26 12:19
→ remina:加上前面我貼的那些聽力測驗,有免費的flash player可用 05/26 12:19
→ UlyssesLin:還是自己找網頁空間丟H.264/AVC檔 05/26 12:19
→ remina:空間可以找hinet用戶的,因為比較沒限制 05/26 12:19
→ remina:HyperCam錄製時,硬碟夠大就用Huffyuv這無損但有壓縮codec 05/26 12:20
→ UlyssesLin:不過我這個檔案已經弄完了,而且起始畫質真就很爛了 05/26 12:21
→ UlyssesLin:下次有好一點的SOURCE檔再來考慮r兄的建議吧 05/26 12:21
→ UlyssesLin:Huffyuv是吧? OK我記起來了,下次來錄看看 05/26 12:21
→ oginome:文字部分的話是第一段影片清晰的多~ 05/26 12:22
→ remina:退為其次就選Xvid Q1 失真壓縮但是資源需求低,之後再轉264 05/26 12:22
→ UlyssesLin:果然是第一段較清晰嗎? 這就是我猶豫的關鍵啊XD 05/26 12:24
→ oginome:的確是第一種格式比較清晰 05/26 12:26
→ oginome:這裡提共一個簡單方式,這是之前在幫補習班的老師做線上教 05/26 12:27
→ oginome:學的時候弄出來的,事實上用H.264/AVC壓PSP的MP4的方法 05/26 12:28
→ oginome:去壓出MP4,之後再丟給FLV的PLAYER也是能播的.... 05/26 12:29
→ UlyssesLin:問題是天空超爛不吃MP4啊XD 05/26 12:29
→ UlyssesLin:對了,remina兄,順便謝一下之前R4片子的事 05/26 12:30
→ UlyssesLin:我的原版片朋友後來找到還我了,剛好在我全破後XDD 05/26 12:30
→ oginome:這就是作弊的地方了,我之前的用的PLAYER雖然是自己寫的 05/26 12:30
→ oginome:但是U大修改一下副檔看看,把MP4改成FLV搞不好能吃... 05/26 12:31
→ oginome:不然就要等我晚上回家挖那個PAYER出來了.... 05/26 12:32
→ UlyssesLin:天空只支援avi/wmv/swv/mpg/mov/rm/mpeg/3gp/flv副檔名 05/26 12:32
→ UlyssesLin:喔這樣喔,試一下看看,我其實也有轉MP4是沒錯啦 05/26 12:33
→ UlyssesLin:嗯? 真的在吃了,不知道吃完會怎樣就是了 05/26 12:35
→ remina:我玩過無名的上傳壓好的flv他再重壓一次更大更爛的flv 05/26 12:36
→ remina:從此國內站一概不玩,自己套player最好,只是要找空間 05/26 12:36
→ UlyssesLin:對,我就是怕這樣XD 05/26 12:36
→ remina:不然丟youtube也可以 05/26 12:37
→ UlyssesLin:不過PIXNET和天空我記得有些FLV不會再幫你轉檔 05/26 12:37
→ UlyssesLin:我目前不知為何一直不想傳到[你管]和[微笑].... 05/26 12:39
推 natsugo:1,字體比較清楚的感覺,看起來舒服多。:) 05/26 12:41
→ remina:flv有分為flv1 flv4,flv4可自己用on vp6壓 05/26 12:43
→ remina:會被重壓應該是flv4,nico則是有支援flv4符合流量條件不重壓 05/26 12:43
→ UlyssesLin:嗯,我也依稀記得是FLV1/4的差異,真的是這樣啊 05/26 12:45
→ UlyssesLin:不過NICO的話我寧可直接傳MP4檔XD 05/26 12:45
→ remina:對,flv4一定要壓2pass,而且壓超慢,慢到靠北 05/26 12:49
→ UlyssesLin:我現在上傳真MP4偽FLV中,最後再來看結果吧 05/26 12:49
→ remina:1pass H.264/AVC +AAC = mp4 快很多,又好 05/26 12:50
→ UlyssesLin:如果天空沒給我重壓的話可能反而最後是用MP4檔 05/26 12:50
→ UlyssesLin:是呀,只是剪接不能用WMM而已,不然我還挺喜歡MP4的 05/26 12:51
→ UlyssesLin:……結果是應該是沒經過轉檔才對但畫質變爛很多0rz 05/26 12:54
→ UlyssesLin:那目前就是乖乖考慮第一個MPEG檔了吧……43MB 囧rz 05/26 12:55
→ UlyssesLin:上次傳R. SaGa2 最終決戰也是48MB等了我1.5小時才轉完 05/26 12:55
→ oginome:之前用on vp6壓過FLV4...效果實在... 05/26 12:56
→ UlyssesLin:再好的格式在國內重壓縮的限制下都是枉然啊XDD 05/26 12:57
→ UlyssesLin:剛剛才看到我壓的MP4被天空弄成那陀模糊的東西XDD 05/26 12:58
→ oginome:.............挖哩咧 05/26 12:58
→ UlyssesLin:本來我那個MP4才26MB且還比MPEG檔更清楚一點,最佳首選 05/26 13:00
→ oginome:嗯....等晚上我回家,我挖以前寫的PLAYER給U大試試看好了 05/26 13:01
→ UlyssesLin:結果上傳後變成文字部分血肉模糊的慘況XD 05/26 13:01
→ UlyssesLin:啊,我還是會繼續用天空的容量啦,不用麻煩了 05/26 13:01
→ UlyssesLin:嫌歸嫌,反正免費的空間也不能要求太多了 05/26 13:02
→ UlyssesLin:其實會影會聲作出來的原始MPEG畫質最好,但有230MB 05/26 13:02
→ UlyssesLin:根本不能上傳,WMM也無法剪輯,最後才轉檔降畫質成這樣 05/26 13:03
→ UlyssesLin:我已經看開了…… 05/26 13:03
→ UlyssesLin:感謝上面三位幫忙分辨了一下 05/26 13:06
※ 編輯: UlyssesLin 來自: 218.169.51.173 (05/26 13:11) → oginome:那個PAYER其實滿容易的,整個就是一個SWF而已,在XML下寫 05/26 13:10
→ oginome:入影片路徑就OK,基本上應該是滿方便的說 05/26 13:10
→ UlyssesLin:我是希望多少有些說明或讓人知道這是我的東西的介面 05/26 13:12
→ UlyssesLin:你那個PLAYER應該會變成單純一個線上影片播放對吧? 05/26 13:13
→ UlyssesLin:雖然那種說明是防君子不防小人,沒啥用,還是想放一下 05/26 13:14
→ oginome:這倒容易,PLAYER一開始可以秀LOGO,就寫上U大要的東西就 05/26 13:14
→ UlyssesLin:總之還是先謝過了 05/26 13:14
→ oginome:可以了,包括版權聲明都可~ 05/26 13:15
→ UlyssesLin:影片可以剪輯掉前面啊,不過我說的介面也同樣是沒錯 05/26 13:15
→ UlyssesLin:而且我說的介面單純下載就沒用了更慘XD 05/26 13:16
→ UlyssesLin:不過我還是先乖乖用完天空的5G容量好了,慣性難改 05/26 13:16
→ UlyssesLin:歹勢有時候有點"擇劣固執"的傾向XD 05/26 13:18
→ oginome:這倒是...防君子不防小人...打上浮水印又破壞畫面.... 05/26 13:18
→ oginome:一切就看U大方便啦~畢竟U大實在貢獻良多,支持U大~ 05/26 13:19
→ UlyssesLin:是的,之前也有人建議我遊戲擷圖全都要打上浮水印 05/26 13:19
→ UlyssesLin:我也是因為會破壞畫面而回覆不願意,真沒辦法 05/26 13:19
→ UlyssesLin:這時代就這樣,之前還有人轉錄我的FFX攻略貼巴哈FF 05/26 13:21
→ UlyssesLin:不過是在哈拉區,內容完全相同只改開頭說是自己寫的 05/26 13:21
→ UlyssesLin:看到完全傻眼,從巴哈轉出去然後盜版貼回巴哈是怎樣XD 05/26 13:21
→ remina:哈拉區都有版主直接幹我在BBS貼的了 05/26 13:22
→ UlyssesLin:當時是有賴FF哈拉區副版主迅速處理掉了……真是的 05/26 13:22
→ oginome:這個深有同感啊,以前在巴哈寫的文章被轉載出去,最後還 05/26 13:22
→ oginome:被一個在紐約唸書的同學寄EMAIL回來給我,當初看到真的是 05/26 13:23
→ remina:不想打浮水印,影片開頭接一段宣告畫面 05/26 13:24
→ oginome:傻眼...再之前在巴哈上的EMU板PO的快打一代的八卦那篇也是 05/26 13:24
→ oginome:大陸論壇一堆整版COPY過去都不告知的... 05/26 13:25
→ UlyssesLin:是的,當時其他巴哈版主討論時也說過同樣的被害遭遇XD 05/26 13:25
→ UlyssesLin:有幾個論壇好歹會留作者ID,算很難得了 05/26 13:25
→ remina:GBA FF5a FF6a rom一出我改記憶體把全部怪物圖艦抓圖 05/26 13:26
→ UlyssesLin:其實我很討厭宣告畫面啦,感覺不太尊重 05/26 13:26
→ remina:貼巴哈,幾分鐘內出現在對岸論壇... 05/26 13:26
→ UlyssesLin:從以前看VCD和DVD時就很不滿了XD 05/26 13:27
→ UlyssesLin:對岸的版權觀念真的很薄弱,最近有局部改善一點而已 05/26 13:27
→ UlyssesLin:所以有在作的論壇還是不能一竿子跟著打翻,但真的很少 05/26 13:28
→ oginome:不過在巴哈的板主板我提這件事的時候好像沒人理就是了... 05/26 13:29
→ remina:不過我馬上換link..帖子底下馬上有人在靠腰看不到XD 05/26 13:29
→ remina:這問題應該不止對岸,巴哈哈拉區也一堆 05/26 13:29
→ UlyssesLin:換連結,這個好招XDD 05/26 13:29
→ UlyssesLin:呃,哈哈區確實是有很多洞沒錯……無法否認 05/26 13:30
→ oginome:U大和remina大辛苦了.... 05/26 13:30
→ UlyssesLin:除了幾個真的比較上到的版主之外,是會像你說的沒錯 05/26 13:30
→ UlyssesLin:因此巴哈自己BBS和WEB也常常有代溝和在戰 05/26 13:31
※ 編輯: UlyssesLin 來自: 218.169.51.173 (05/26 13:32) → UlyssesLin:有些哈哈區版主才國中一年級,而且也被論壇影響 05/26 13:32
→ UlyssesLin:……算了,懶得幫哈拉區辯駁了,反正我也沒在用WEB介面 05/26 13:33
→ oginome:也是...我還沒用過WEB介面...不清楚那邊的生態說... 05/26 13:38
→ remina:web介面旁邊一堆廣告flash..CPU吃滿滿... 05/26 13:40
→ UlyssesLin:我的印象是優秀的人甚至強過BBS,但爛的真的超爛 05/26 13:41
→ UlyssesLin:巴哈就靠那廣告維持營運啊,一堆人罵了還是照放 05/26 13:42
→ UlyssesLin:上面說的國內各大相簿也是如此,我已經放棄掙扎了... 05/26 13:42
→ UlyssesLin:雖然還是有不少人在使用火狐搭配工具擋掉廣告作掙扎 05/26 13:43
→ oginome:....我就是...>_<,FF配上ABP還是讓我掙扎到現在.... 05/26 13:44
→ natsugo:WEB巴哈..算了吧.. 05/26 13:55
→ reiden:哈哈區,不意外了..(嘆) 05/26 16:10
推 ericantion:hinet的網頁空間拿來寫攻略應該可增加讀者閱讀上的便利 05/26 17:23
→ ericantion:性 作者也可用ftp軟體同步資料夾 資料是備份在自己電腦 05/26 17:24
→ ericantion:而不是在hinet那 缺點是空間只有60MB和得自己寫htm語法 05/26 17:25
→ ericantion:(其實習慣了就還好) 影音播放看這個範例吧 我是不懂格 05/26 17:26
→ ericantion:式有沒有失真就是了 05/26 17:27
推 ericantion:防小人部分nico空間都可以下載了還能同步更新字幕 05/26 17:32
→ ericantion:軟體中文化作者范承豪的業務之一就是幫人中文化軟體包 05/26 17:33
→ ericantion:括沒有來源碼的軟體 只能說放到網路上的東西 能防的有 05/26 17:35
→ ericantion:限 剩下的要靠燒香拜佛別碰到高手破解後拿去盜版... 05/26 17:35
推 ericantion:如果影片要傳到免空的話 看是要考慮讀者下載的時間還是 05/26 17:39
→ ericantion:自己上傳的時間 如果只是後者的話那好辦 找個可以批次 05/26 17:39
→ ericantion:上傳的軟體 設定好後電腦掛網就好了人不用去照顧 05/26 17:40
→ remina:這影片範例好OX.... 05/26 19:21
推 ericantion:找好久才找到這麼一個...(其他影片都是載點) 05/26 19:35
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