最後生還者2全破心得(內含劇情) - PS

By Lauren
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※ 引述《beginner1000 (God Hand)》之銘言:
前文恕刪
: 3、劇情:
: 這部分是最多的垢病的地方,就我玩下來的結果
: ,雖然有部分地方人物行動的轉折我覺得並沒有描寫
: 好,或是該說沒能讓玩家充分理解該人物那麼做的理
: 由為何?但整體而言,人物細膩的表情以及沖擊的劇情
: ,在某些橋段也使我感到心情激盪,對我而言,這已
: 經比許多雞肋無味的遊戲劇情來得好多了。
: 就網路負評的絕大部分原因,是因為這代可玩的
: 角色之一的艾比殺了1代的主角喬爾,加上她的外型
: 原因,使很多人對於最後艾莉沒有殺了艾比而無法接
: 受。不過就整體遊戲玩下來,我並不會厭惡艾比這個
: 角色,畢竟她只是想報父仇(父親是個好人而且和她感
: 情很好),可能還有喬爾毀了火螢這個她原本的大家庭
: 的理由。不過遊戲的劇情設計的確有幾個地方我不是
: 很能理解,也歡迎大家來討論:
: (1)中段艾比曾經可以殺了艾莉,畢竟她剛得知朋友
: 們全都被艾莉(或是湯米)殺了,本來因為遷怒要
: 殺了狄娜使艾莉痛苦,但只是列夫出現,她就放
: 手,連艾莉也放過,這裡我實在不能理解她為何
: 會停手?
艾比為了狼無情殘殺殘疤的過去,心裡也覺得不是挺光榮,跟列夫聊天時不想多提,她跟喬一樣為了生活變成一個跟本性差很多的人,她後來被殘疤小孩所救,經過互助的旅程,開始發現大家只是立場不同,狼就是地盤性的壯大狼群,殘疤誓殺盡敵人已淨化世界,歐文比她更早察覺到,他面對殘疤老人放棄對抗,自己突然下不了手,他跟艾比都是將領級的老手,殺的人不亞於艾比,歐文說他覺得夠了,自己也不知道到底為何而戰,告訴艾比說也許他們停止尋找光明了,艾比本來不再對未來有特別希望,後來同意跟歐文去找火螢,可惜她功德值不夠,梅兒無法讓她加入隊伍。
她一氣之下跑去跟殘疤相依為命,
回來水族館發現歐文被殺,艾比重新捲入仇恨螺旋,找艾莉尋仇,在最關鍵的時候列夫發出了驚呼,這邊如果你有玩過AD&D系列一定知道,當你的隊伍有善良陣營的隊友,隊伍做出邪惡的決定會導致善良隊友離開,艾比一直想要贖罪,救了列夫姊妹也是心裡渴望重獲光明,想做點什麼,所以列夫代表艾比人性最後的希望,而她其實很渴望重獲人性,被列夫拉回來,這裡不下手的心情跟艾莉不下手的心情重量是差不多的,艾比朋友死得才多勒。
: (2)湯米後來為何會情緒勒索艾莉一定要找艾比報仇
: ?本來的湯米並不是執著於報仇的人,在喬爾剛
: 被殺時,是艾莉一定要報仇,反而是湯米是勸阻
: 的角色,最後為了艾莉安全,甚至寧願自己出手
: ,並希望老婆能把艾莉留在鎮上,確保她的安全
: ,但後來個性卻大轉變,我只能猜想是他因為腳
: 有殘疾行動不便以及和老婆分開等導致性情大變
: ,我不敢肯定人是不是遇到這種情況會有這種可
: 能性,但終究是舖陳不夠多,沒法使人信服。
處理傷痛的方法,三人不太一樣層次,
迪娜為了小孩什麼都放下了,的她最在乎的人就在她眼前(小孩和艾莉)。
艾莉為了家庭可以不去,可是她欠喬太多,世界級恩情終究無法裝沒事,而且她很愛喬。
湯米成了失能老兵,老婆離他而去,仇家還在逍遙法外,能夠幫他報仇的過著幸福美滿的日子,他也不是什麼聖人,不客氣開噴。
: (3)艾莉最後要勒(淹)死艾比之前,為何突然停手?我
: 看之前很多人批評這段劇情為整款遊戲最差的地
: 方,我的想法是,其實艾莉那時去殺艾比,已經
: 不是因為痛恨,只是為了取得平靜,否則她無法
: 好好生活,當她看到艾比的慘狀後(變得很瘦、猶
: 如老了10歲的臉),其實她動搖了,感覺已經不想
: 動手了,但劇情描寫她忽然想到喬爾,所以還是攔
: 下艾比,硬要跟她來場肉搏戰,但最後快把艾比淹
: 死時,雖然她那時感覺表情很痛苦,但卻是因為忽然
: 想到喬爾而放手,這個部分的確很突兀,沒法讓人理
: 解艾莉放下的理由。而且重頭到尾艾莉都不知道艾比
: 為什麼要殺喬爾,我是覺得如果她因為知道理由而放
: 棄復仇,會不會使玩家來得容易接受?
艾莉拷問諾拉後當晚得知自己是這一切源頭,在戲院哭的很慘,自己復仇好像沒那麼站得住腳了。
她為了心裡的平靜想做點什麼,沒想到讓自己人越殺越多,一直無法原諒喬為她犯下滔天大罪,自己也快要什麼事都做得出來了,
艾比是狼幫也是火螢,列夫代表殘疤,艾莉代表傑克森市,最後一幕各陣營交纏,來到命運時刻,艾莉終於同理了喬當年的心情,原諒了喬,艾比也不重要了,真的要說她也是跟自己一樣被捲進來的受害者。
跟艾莉為了揮別救不到喬的罪惡感一樣,艾比報仇後還是空虛,試圖救人掩蓋罪惡感,艾莉停留在用殺人來完成心中未竟之事,基本上她也是會面臨跟艾比一樣的情況,遊戲想傳達復仇也是無法帶來真正平靜,必須要達到和解,雙方認為受對方付出足夠的代價以及善意對話才會停止,艾比是有跟艾莉求饒的,最後艾莉放下之後,仇恨螺旋終於停止轉動。
個人認為這遊戲要講得的東西仇恨螺旋扣得很緊,是個很複雜的作品,於且情感衝擊相當驚人,剛玩完的時候我不知道怎麼處理這股情緒,六月到現在也沉澱不少,你可以感受到角色難以脫離仇恨的影響,乃至個人到幫派,一旦開始就很難停止,你可以去刁不合理的編排,但如果把它看成是戲劇效果,去看背後要講得東西,或許會開始得到一些趣味。
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前文恕刪
: 3、劇情:
: 這部分是最多的垢病的地方,就我玩下來的結果
: ,雖然有部分地方人物行動的轉折我覺得並沒有描寫
: 好,或是該說沒能讓玩家充分理解該人物那麼做的理
: 由為何?但整體而言,人物細膩的表情以及沖擊的劇情
: ,在某些橋段也使我感到心情激盪,對我而言,這已
: 經比許多雞肋無味的遊戲劇情來得好多了。
: 就網路負評的絕大部分原因,是因為這代可玩的
: 角色之一的艾比殺了1代的主角喬爾,加上她的外型
: 原因,使很多人對於最後艾莉沒有殺了艾比而無法接
: 受。不過就整體遊戲玩下來,我並不會厭惡艾比這個
: 角色,畢竟她只是想報父仇(父親是個好人而且和她感
: 情很好),可能還有喬爾毀了火螢這個她原本的大家庭
: 的理由。不過遊戲的劇情設計的確有幾個地方我不是
: 很能理解,也歡迎大家來討論:
: (1)中段艾比曾經可以殺了艾莉,畢竟她剛得知朋友
: 們全都被艾莉(或是湯米)殺了,本來因為遷怒要
: 殺了狄娜使艾莉痛苦,但只是列夫出現,她就放
: 手,連艾莉也放過,這裡我實在不能理解她為何
: 會停手?
艾比為了狼無情殘殺殘疤的過去,心裡也覺得不是挺光榮,跟列夫聊天時不想多提,她跟喬一樣為了生活變成一個跟本性差很多的人,她後來被殘疤小孩所救,經過互助的旅程,開始發現大家只是立場不同,狼就是地盤性的壯大狼群,殘疤誓殺盡敵人已淨化世界,歐文比她更早察覺到,他面對殘疤老人放棄對抗,自己突然下不了手,他跟艾比都是將領級的老手,殺的人不亞於艾比,歐文說他覺得夠了,自己也不知道到底為何而戰,告訴艾比說也許他們停止尋找光明了,艾比本來不再對未來有特別希望,後來同意跟歐文去找火螢,可惜她功德值不夠,梅兒無法讓她加入隊伍。
她一氣之下跑去跟殘疤相依為命,
回來水族館發現歐文被殺,艾比重新捲入仇恨螺旋,找艾莉尋仇,在最關鍵的時候列夫發出了驚呼,這邊如果你有玩過AD&D系列一定知道,當你的隊伍有善良陣營的隊友,隊伍做出邪惡的決定會導致善良隊友離開,艾比一直想要贖罪,救了列夫姊妹也是心裡渴望重獲光明,想做點什麼,所以列夫代表艾比人性最後的希望,而她其實很渴望重獲人性,被列夫拉回來,這裡不下手的心情跟艾莉不下手的心情重量是差不多的,艾比朋友死得才多勒。
: (2)湯米後來為何會情緒勒索艾莉一定要找艾比報仇
: ?本來的湯米並不是執著於報仇的人,在喬爾剛
: 被殺時,是艾莉一定要報仇,反而是湯米是勸阻
: 的角色,最後為了艾莉安全,甚至寧願自己出手
: ,並希望老婆能把艾莉留在鎮上,確保她的安全
: ,但後來個性卻大轉變,我只能猜想是他因為腳
: 有殘疾行動不便以及和老婆分開等導致性情大變
: ,我不敢肯定人是不是遇到這種情況會有這種可
: 能性,但終究是舖陳不夠多,沒法使人信服。
處理傷痛的方法,三人不太一樣層次,
迪娜為了小孩什麼都放下了,的她最在乎的人就在她眼前(小孩和艾莉)。
艾莉為了家庭可以不去,可是她欠喬太多,世界級恩情終究無法裝沒事,而且她很愛喬。
湯米成了失能老兵,老婆離他而去,仇家還在逍遙法外,能夠幫他報仇的過著幸福美滿的日子,他也不是什麼聖人,不客氣開噴。
: (3)艾莉最後要勒(淹)死艾比之前,為何突然停手?我
: 看之前很多人批評這段劇情為整款遊戲最差的地
: 方,我的想法是,其實艾莉那時去殺艾比,已經
: 不是因為痛恨,只是為了取得平靜,否則她無法
: 好好生活,當她看到艾比的慘狀後(變得很瘦、猶
: 如老了10歲的臉),其實她動搖了,感覺已經不想
: 動手了,但劇情描寫她忽然想到喬爾,所以還是攔
: 下艾比,硬要跟她來場肉搏戰,但最後快把艾比淹
: 死時,雖然她那時感覺表情很痛苦,但卻是因為忽然
: 想到喬爾而放手,這個部分的確很突兀,沒法讓人理
: 解艾莉放下的理由。而且重頭到尾艾莉都不知道艾比
: 為什麼要殺喬爾,我是覺得如果她因為知道理由而放
: 棄復仇,會不會使玩家來得容易接受?
艾莉拷問諾拉後當晚得知自己是這一切源頭,在戲院哭的很慘,自己復仇好像沒那麼站得住腳了。
她為了心裡的平靜想做點什麼,沒想到讓自己人越殺越多,一直無法原諒喬為她犯下滔天大罪,自己也快要什麼事都做得出來了,
艾比是狼幫也是火螢,列夫代表殘疤,艾莉代表傑克森市,最後一幕各陣營交纏,來到命運時刻,艾莉終於同理了喬當年的心情,原諒了喬,艾比也不重要了,真的要說她也是跟自己一樣被捲進來的受害者。
跟艾莉為了揮別救不到喬的罪惡感一樣,艾比報仇後還是空虛,試圖救人掩蓋罪惡感,艾莉停留在用殺人來完成心中未竟之事,基本上她也是會面臨跟艾比一樣的情況,遊戲想傳達復仇也是無法帶來真正平靜,必須要達到和解,雙方認為受對方付出足夠的代價以及善意對話才會停止,艾比是有跟艾莉求饒的,最後艾莉放下之後,仇恨螺旋終於停止轉動。
個人認為這遊戲要講得的東西仇恨螺旋扣得很緊,是個很複雜的作品,於且情感衝擊相當驚人,剛玩完的時候我不知道怎麼處理這股情緒,六月到現在也沉澱不少,你可以感受到角色難以脫離仇恨的影響,乃至個人到幫派,一旦開始就很難停止,你可以去刁不合理的編排,但如果把它看成是戲劇效果,去看背後要講得東西,或許會開始得到一些趣味。
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