暴雪團隊有在聽玩家心聲…嗎? - WOW
By Christine
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推 KYALUCARD: 你也是好笑,版上多少篇在講8版問題的文通通當沒看見 03/22 14:21
→ KYALUCARD: 現在說本版不是FF板不講FF的東西就是"不肯正視8版內容" 03/22 14:21
→ mealoop: 有誰沒正視八版問題惹 真的很會妄想欸 03/22 14:21
→ KYALUCARD: 你才是不肯正視有多少人在談8版問題吧?反正現在先放大 03/22 14:22
→ KYALUCARD: 決先贏囉?不能談FF=不正視8板問題,哥哥你邏輯也是真D 03/22 14:22
→ KYALUCARD: 好,不如你帶頭發幾篇來談論8版問題如何?老實說各種文 03/22 14:23
→ KYALUCARD: 你有在玩得一看就知道哪些發文講的問題是真的有在玩, 03/22 14:23
→ KYALUCARD: 哪些發文的一看就是雲玩家,看別人心得就湊出一篇文的 03/22 14:23
→ olkl1234: 八版問題不是8.0討論到現在都沒啥改嗎 還會有人酸不知 03/22 14:24
→ olkl1234: 足 點擊就送 03/22 14:24
→ henry1234562: 我是不太懂 為什麼正視問題需要提別的遊戲啦 03/22 14:27
→ olkl1234: 因為遊戲人數下滑的原因早就討論到爛了? 03/22 14:29
→ KYALUCARD: 老實說8.0的問題跟8.3的問題幾乎完全不同 03/22 14:29
→ olkl1234: 有嗎8.0是神甲特質rng 8.3是更扯的腐化rng 我覺得差不 03/22 14:31
→ olkl1234: 多 03/22 14:31
推 VBMO: 同意樓上 8版根本沒改善多少 從8.0到8.3 被詬病的還是老話題 03/22 14:31
→ VBMO: 現在還多了個腐化可講 看reddit上內容 這大概是近期上被幹 03/22 14:31
→ VBMO: 更兇的 03/22 14:31
→ KYALUCARD: 神甲特質RNG? 8.0一開始是神甲取得管道太少 03/22 14:31
→ KYALUCARD: 8.3最大問題就是精華追趕跟腐化取得,8.0有精華跟腐化? 03/22 14:32
→ olkl1234: 換湯不換藥 03/22 14:33
→ KYALUCARD: 8.0在講的是沒有新東西跟海島回饋太少,神甲取得管道有 03/22 14:33
→ KYALUCARD: 限 03/22 14:33
→ henry1234562: 8.0一直到8.3 確實每個小版本問題都不一樣 03/22 14:34
→ henry1234562: 8.0問題是 特質裝沒啥差異 你只能用團本的 03/22 14:35
→ henry1234562: 跟取得管道過少 所以8.1多開一環 多管道 新特質 03/22 14:35
→ henry1234562: 你現在來看 8.0的問題是基本解決的 03/22 14:37
→ henry1234562: 8.3現在最大問題是 腐化裝壓過了所有東西 03/22 14:37
→ henry1234562: 儘管給了更多管道 不改變戰鬥中腐化的隨機因素 03/22 14:38
→ henry1234562: 同樣一個人打兩次狗王 一次諸星打100萬 一次打700萬 03/22 14:38
→ henry1234562: 你說你能怎麼辦 你沒有任何操作空間可以改變這個 03/22 14:38
→ henry1234562: 其他沒諸星就是連這出700萬的機會都沒有而已 03/22 14:39
→ olkl1234: 反正還在玩的就等BZ的腦殘式修改法 看有沒有機會平衡 03/22 14:41
→ olkl1234: 雖然可能性不高 03/22 14:41
→ olkl1234: 我雲玩家等等又被酸沒玩還來看版幹嘛 嘻嘻 03/22 14:42
→ KYALUCARD: 毫不意外,就說一看就知道哪些是別人心得的心得 03/22 14:51
看到這段推文,有點想說的,但怕推文被斷一堆,乾脆直接回一篇比較快
主要其實是前陣子在reddit or US討論版看到某些文,那些剛好有戳到我的點
就拿出來順便跟大家分享一下
8版改到現在,完全沒改到的就是RNG要素啦,我管你現在批著皮叫艾甲還是腐化
目前BZ和玩家感受脫鉤的最大問題點就是
「他們認為RNG要素,跟6版前那種有打到/沒打到裝,對玩家的意義是一樣的」
你沒R到你要的?阿不就跟王沒開出你想要的裝不是一樣?
但大家憑良心自我檢視
包含殘渣抽抽樂和現在的腐化,你覺得感受和意義一樣嗎?
7.8兩版被人幹翻的狀況,RNG要素絕對名列前茅
在以前的版本,假如同一職業付出同等努力和等量的肝細胞,大家都拿同裝等的裝
會使角色表現拉開顯著差距的slot叫飾品和T裝,還有少部分的武器
那現在呢?
至於為啥其他RNG遊戲大家爽玩,但WOW就不行?
前幾篇版上的戰文就已經很多人點出來了,如果你每抽一次付出的成本很低
我他媽常抽到垃圾我也沒差啊
但WOW?
幹他媽的我要組隊、要砸很多時間,然後得到的獎勵和別人差那麼多?
這邊提供一個我只剩下印象,但應該找不出原文的內容,所以大家看看就好,不用太計較
之前有人把帶有RNG要素的裝備配合打出來的DPS,配合一些代數.函數整合成統計資料
以前是每隻王每個職業大概會掉落1-5件物品不等,但對你有用的大概1-3件
而現在換算下來大概是每隻王每個職業會掉落10-18件物品,但對你有用的是2-5件
但因為我自己看那篇也不太認同部分的變量數據,所以當作參考就好
但整體方向大抵上應該沒錯
就是一個角色到底強還是弱,運氣的比重比前幾個版本都還要高
照理來說,7版初的RNG橘裝已經讓BZ吃到史上慘烈度排名前幾的玩家回饋
所以後續不停的釋出善意,想弭平RNG帶來的後遺症
包含提高掉落機率、增加可撿到橘裝的管道、設立防臉黑機制
和最後新增的再多給一個管道,不用等,但要用抽的
但為何8版又開始繞回去?
你說8版每個小版本都有改善?我倒不這麼認為
因為很多問題都只是掉落機制上,運氣比重被拉高的後遺症罷了
你一直針對後遺症去改,我很難接受這種治療方式
更何況...你他媽的前一版差點要治好了耶
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