撒拉模範的規則爭議 - 魔法風雲會
By Isabella
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又看到有趣的規則文了
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/x6v7kj
這篇重點在規則400.7a
400.7a Effects from spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities
that change the characteristics or controller of a permanent spell
on the stack continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes.
Effects from static abilities that give a permanent spell on the
stack an ability that allows it to be cast for an alternative cost
continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes.
私譯
400.7a 由咒語、起動式異能、與觸發式異能所產生之效應,致使堆疊上永久物咒語
的特徵或操控者改變者,將持續對該咒語其後所成為的永久物生效。
由靜止式異能產生的效應,致使堆疊上永久物咒語得以由替代性費用施放者,
亦持續對該咒語其後所成為的永久物生效。
這規則不大常用到
因為會去動到堆疊咒語特徵的牌不多
大家可能也不熟悉這規則的適用範圍
做幾個範例問題給大家看看爭議在哪
一、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[法茲各血領]],
我施放[[莊園吸血鬼]],對手未受傷
問莊園吸血鬼結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
法茲各血領 https://scryfall.com/card/voc/121/zht/
莊園吸血鬼 https://scryfall.com/card/m20/85/zht/
答:法茲各血領的觸發式異能會給予堆疊上的莊園吸血鬼嗜血3
這嗜血3是會帶到戰場上並持續存在的(即使因對手沒受傷而沒有生效)
故在莫甘達岩畫看來,莊園吸血鬼是個有異能的生物
答案是3/2
二、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[啟迪塑像]]
我施放[[灰棕熊]]
問灰棕熊結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
啟迪塑像 https://scryfall.com/card/aer/160/zht/
灰棕熊 https://scryfall.com/card/10e/268/
答:啟迪塑像的靜止式異能給予堆疊上的灰棕熊拼造異能
但這並非替代施放費用,故不會帶到戰場上
在莫甘達岩畫看來,灰棕熊是個無異能生物
答案是4/4
三、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[萬金油亨齊托雷]]
我施放[[巨太龍]],正常施放不急襲
問巨太龍結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
萬金油亨齊托雷 https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/2/zht/
巨太龍 https://scryfall.com/card/m19/185/zht/
答:萬金油亨齊托雷的靜止式異能給予堆疊上的巨太龍急襲異能
即使我沒選擇急襲施放,該咒語依舊會具有急襲
且由於這異能給予了替代性施放費用,故會帶到戰場上
在莫甘達岩畫看來,巨太龍是個有異能的生物
答案是10/10
四、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[撒拉模範]]
我從墳墓場施放[[灰棕熊]]
問灰棕熊結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
撒拉模範 https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/32/
灰棕熊 https://scryfall.com/card/10e/268/
答:施放上堆疊的灰棕熊被會撒拉模範的靜止式異能給予
「當此永久物從戰場進入墳墓場時,將它放逐且你獲得2點生命。」
但這異能並非替代施放費用,故不會帶到戰場上
在莫甘達岩畫看來,灰棕熊是個無異能生物
答案是4/4
然後因為是無異能生物,灰棕熊死掉當然也不用放逐加血……
看出問題了吧
撒拉模範的給予的死亡觸發只在堆疊上有作用...
地牌不使用堆疊,撒拉模範會直接給戰場上的地該異能故沒事照常觸發
而同系列類似寫法的[[龍爪利瓦茲]]也乖乖地使用觸發式異能處理
沒有這爭議
龍爪利瓦茲 https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/215
就只有施放三費以下永久物咒語會出事
不過這是屬於那種根本沒有玩家會按照正式規則來的bug
只有規則控會去吵這沒意義的
看來解決方法應該是增修規則400.7a吧
當初就為了萬金油亨齊托雷增修過一次了
--
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/x6v7kj
這篇重點在規則400.7a
400.7a Effects from spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities
that change the characteristics or controller of a permanent spell
on the stack continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes.
Effects from static abilities that give a permanent spell on the
stack an ability that allows it to be cast for an alternative cost
continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes.
私譯
400.7a 由咒語、起動式異能、與觸發式異能所產生之效應,致使堆疊上永久物咒語
的特徵或操控者改變者,將持續對該咒語其後所成為的永久物生效。
由靜止式異能產生的效應,致使堆疊上永久物咒語得以由替代性費用施放者,
亦持續對該咒語其後所成為的永久物生效。
這規則不大常用到
因為會去動到堆疊咒語特徵的牌不多
大家可能也不熟悉這規則的適用範圍
做幾個範例問題給大家看看爭議在哪
一、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[法茲各血領]],
我施放[[莊園吸血鬼]],對手未受傷
問莊園吸血鬼結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
法茲各血領 https://scryfall.com/card/voc/121/zht/
莊園吸血鬼 https://scryfall.com/card/m20/85/zht/
答:法茲各血領的觸發式異能會給予堆疊上的莊園吸血鬼嗜血3
這嗜血3是會帶到戰場上並持續存在的(即使因對手沒受傷而沒有生效)
故在莫甘達岩畫看來,莊園吸血鬼是個有異能的生物
答案是3/2
二、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[啟迪塑像]]
我施放[[灰棕熊]]
問灰棕熊結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
啟迪塑像 https://scryfall.com/card/aer/160/zht/
灰棕熊 https://scryfall.com/card/10e/268/
答:啟迪塑像的靜止式異能給予堆疊上的灰棕熊拼造異能
但這並非替代施放費用,故不會帶到戰場上
在莫甘達岩畫看來,灰棕熊是個無異能生物
答案是4/4
三、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[萬金油亨齊托雷]]
我施放[[巨太龍]],正常施放不急襲
問巨太龍結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
萬金油亨齊托雷 https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/2/zht/
巨太龍 https://scryfall.com/card/m19/185/zht/
答:萬金油亨齊托雷的靜止式異能給予堆疊上的巨太龍急襲異能
即使我沒選擇急襲施放,該咒語依舊會具有急襲
且由於這異能給予了替代性施放費用,故會帶到戰場上
在莫甘達岩畫看來,巨太龍是個有異能的生物
答案是10/10
四、我操控[[莫甘達岩畫]]與[[撒拉模範]]
我從墳墓場施放[[灰棕熊]]
問灰棕熊結算後多大?
莫甘達岩畫 https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/zht/
撒拉模範 https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/32/
灰棕熊 https://scryfall.com/card/10e/268/
答:施放上堆疊的灰棕熊被會撒拉模範的靜止式異能給予
「當此永久物從戰場進入墳墓場時,將它放逐且你獲得2點生命。」
但這異能並非替代施放費用,故不會帶到戰場上
在莫甘達岩畫看來,灰棕熊是個無異能生物
答案是4/4
然後因為是無異能生物,灰棕熊死掉當然也不用放逐加血……
看出問題了吧
撒拉模範的給予的死亡觸發只在堆疊上有作用...
地牌不使用堆疊,撒拉模範會直接給戰場上的地該異能故沒事照常觸發
而同系列類似寫法的[[龍爪利瓦茲]]也乖乖地使用觸發式異能處理
沒有這爭議
龍爪利瓦茲 https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/215
就只有施放三費以下永久物咒語會出事
不過這是屬於那種根本沒有玩家會按照正式規則來的bug
只有規則控會去吵這沒意義的
看來解決方法應該是增修規則400.7a吧
當初就為了萬金油亨齊托雷增修過一次了
--
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