所以先後手勝率差別真的很大嗎? - 線上

By Oliver
at 2018-02-04T09:23
at 2018-02-04T09:23
Table of Contents
※ 引述《scarbywind (有事燒紙)》之銘言:
: 只玩過SV跟爐石的蔡逼
: 雖然拿爐石來類比好像會被噴
: 但是爐石的步調公認比SV慢
: 兩個遊戲對於後手的補償機制除了都多補一張牌外,一是幸運幣 一是ep
: 然而爐石早期有個也是公認的
: 幸運幣越晚用效益越低(除非拿去給大法師拿火球
: 這個晚用大概是3回後
: 而SV的補償機制則是固定四回後才能使用
: 當然EP在特意配合的情況下很常打出比一個幸運幣還多很多的效益
: 不過這也就變成了用"更暴力"且"更取決於當下排組"的方式去作"補償"
: 於是也就更難拿捏力道,變成要嘛直接翻桌 要嘛沒啥效果
: 但是也由於是用ep去作補償,如果把補償回合提前
: 那光+2+2對於刻意壓低三圍的SV在前三回又是更暴力的事情
: 簡而言之用EP當作後手補償就是最根本的問題...
+2+2突進相當於加2費能力 這其實比幸運幣還強
而且SV中期的曲線比前期還要高一點
會導致失衡的主因是入場曲>謝幕曲>進化能力
簡單的說, 直接能下能發動的入場曲逐漸變多而且超強, 進化能力完全跟不上
以魔將軍舉例, 他大概可以打出11費左右的節奏, 不死大君也大概是10費左右
更不用說阿桃這種可以一個回合打出9~15費的東西
這邊也是CY設計崩壞掉的一環, 因為你必須得設計更多的東西來抗衡很強的入場曲,
入場曲的能力就會一直被放大而且變多, 那ep帶來的效益就比不上先打先贏
舉個例子, 貴公子原設計是311, 入場曲給全部隨從上一個謝幕曲叫11骷髏
如果改成311, 謝幕曲叫一個11骷髏, 進化時給所有隨從上謝幕曲叫11骷髏
破魂少女也是類似, 222, 進化時死靈術(X)破壞一個已進化的隨從
今天就是CY不打算這樣做, 打算用入場曲來做暴力平衡, 才會讓先手雪球效應越來越強
從以前的骸骨奇美拉接貴公子, 到哥不林隊長接愛麗絲
豪洨保鑣在四費的問題也是類似
目前後手有優勢的兩個職業
一個有貓頭鷹不虧體質可以全手牌-2費或是加2傷 (屌)
一個是進化不虧體質可以最大pp1+1 (屌)
一個是目前僅存的光頭雙解勉強算半個, 什麼龍戰士的別鬧了
順便提一下
原本入場曲是歸在龍族內的, 當然其他人也有, 但是龍族入場曲佔非常大宗
到暗影進化這個卡包的時候, 職業特色都還非常的明確
除了那時候的血鬼特色是全力把對手打進去復仇狀態...
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: 只玩過SV跟爐石的蔡逼
: 雖然拿爐石來類比好像會被噴
: 但是爐石的步調公認比SV慢
: 兩個遊戲對於後手的補償機制除了都多補一張牌外,一是幸運幣 一是ep
: 然而爐石早期有個也是公認的
: 幸運幣越晚用效益越低(除非拿去給大法師拿火球
: 這個晚用大概是3回後
: 而SV的補償機制則是固定四回後才能使用
: 當然EP在特意配合的情況下很常打出比一個幸運幣還多很多的效益
: 不過這也就變成了用"更暴力"且"更取決於當下排組"的方式去作"補償"
: 於是也就更難拿捏力道,變成要嘛直接翻桌 要嘛沒啥效果
: 但是也由於是用ep去作補償,如果把補償回合提前
: 那光+2+2對於刻意壓低三圍的SV在前三回又是更暴力的事情
: 簡而言之用EP當作後手補償就是最根本的問題...
+2+2突進相當於加2費能力 這其實比幸運幣還強
而且SV中期的曲線比前期還要高一點
會導致失衡的主因是入場曲>謝幕曲>進化能力
簡單的說, 直接能下能發動的入場曲逐漸變多而且超強, 進化能力完全跟不上
以魔將軍舉例, 他大概可以打出11費左右的節奏, 不死大君也大概是10費左右
更不用說阿桃這種可以一個回合打出9~15費的東西
這邊也是CY設計崩壞掉的一環, 因為你必須得設計更多的東西來抗衡很強的入場曲,
入場曲的能力就會一直被放大而且變多, 那ep帶來的效益就比不上先打先贏
舉個例子, 貴公子原設計是311, 入場曲給全部隨從上一個謝幕曲叫11骷髏
如果改成311, 謝幕曲叫一個11骷髏, 進化時給所有隨從上謝幕曲叫11骷髏
破魂少女也是類似, 222, 進化時死靈術(X)破壞一個已進化的隨從
今天就是CY不打算這樣做, 打算用入場曲來做暴力平衡, 才會讓先手雪球效應越來越強
從以前的骸骨奇美拉接貴公子, 到哥不林隊長接愛麗絲
豪洨保鑣在四費的問題也是類似
目前後手有優勢的兩個職業
一個有貓頭鷹不虧體質可以全手牌-2費或是加2傷 (屌)
一個是進化不虧體質可以最大pp1+1 (屌)
一個是目前僅存的光頭雙解勉強算半個, 什麼龍戰士的別鬧了
順便提一下
原本入場曲是歸在龍族內的, 當然其他人也有, 但是龍族入場曲佔非常大宗
到暗影進化這個卡包的時候, 職業特色都還非常的明確
除了那時候的血鬼特色是全力把對手打進去復仇狀態...
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