後手是不是比先手優勢太多了? - 線上

By George
at 2017-01-06T18:32
at 2017-01-06T18:32
Table of Contents
※ 引述《Romulus (Romulus)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《ShibaMiyuki (司波深雪)》之銘言:
: : 這遊戲先手幾乎沒什麼優勢吧
: : EP數量輸 EP順序後
: : 手牌也數量輸
: : 就只有水晶成長是贏的
: : 下怪也不一定是先手先佔
: : 反觀後手優勢就大多了
: : 看一下那個法師的先後手勝率差距
: : 後手老頭火球直接多一顆耶
: 超猛der,都抽三張老頭耶
: : 一般遊戲不是都比較取向
: : 讓先後手差距盡量減少嗎?
: 生物法師先後差到9%,那快吸先後差到快7%為什麼就無視 ?_?
: 誠心請問說這遊戲現在後手超有利的人你們的數字在哪裡,還是體感流無敵
: cy公布的數字都是造假的,我感覺才是最真的 ?_?
: ==
: 至於先手哪裡有利
: 聽說這遊戲先手56%的時代和現在只有差卡池和後手少一張牌
兩大統計網站都有以往的勝率和數字
http://shadowlog.com/trend/2016/52/0/
http://syadoreco.com/web/analytics/overview/0
體感和現實上還是會有差距的
無印版本的時候, 那時候我體感是後手有利, 多一個進化點怎麼可能比較差呢
可是實況的時候閒聊, PPH提醒我, 其實先手佔優
一開始我還反駁, 不過自己認真下去統計, 先手勝率還真的高不少
後手EP3真的是合理設計, 本來後手就必須要提供多一個返場的手段
先攻的優勢在於可以早pp下怪, 等於是出題給對方解
在無印版本只要乙姬6T下, 小蘿內戰魔鬥凱8T準時丟, 幾乎都直接勝利
先後手勝率反轉在於暗黑進化改版時期
1. 後手多一張牌, 前期節奏強
2. 手牌上限多一張, 控制牌組大喜
控制牌組是後手有利的, 解牌相對比較便宜, 不需要高PP去搶場
而在後手可以搶贏節奏下, 偏偏強勢的進化卡都是4費
變成先攻在5費必須得下4費進化處理場面, 這樣就虧到不行
舉個例子就是先手4費有光頭, 但是卻不能下, 必須空過4費等5費進化
而先手要搶贏節奏就會輸卡差靠右手, 只有快攻型職業比較沒有這個問題
在ROB, 可以看得出CY想改善這點, 補強了不少4費佔場生物, 及5費解場卡
可是CY總是改了一個小的, 然後就弄一個更大的洞
--
CY:我把先手優勢的職業改的超強, 那先後手整體勝率就平衡啦
現在甲蟲妖才是最狗的套牌啊, 老手都應該去練練看...
--
: ※ 引述《ShibaMiyuki (司波深雪)》之銘言:
: : 這遊戲先手幾乎沒什麼優勢吧
: : EP數量輸 EP順序後
: : 手牌也數量輸
: : 就只有水晶成長是贏的
: : 下怪也不一定是先手先佔
: : 反觀後手優勢就大多了
: : 看一下那個法師的先後手勝率差距
: : 後手老頭火球直接多一顆耶
: 超猛der,都抽三張老頭耶
: : 一般遊戲不是都比較取向
: : 讓先後手差距盡量減少嗎?
: 生物法師先後差到9%,那快吸先後差到快7%為什麼就無視 ?_?
: 誠心請問說這遊戲現在後手超有利的人你們的數字在哪裡,還是體感流無敵
: cy公布的數字都是造假的,我感覺才是最真的 ?_?
: ==
: 至於先手哪裡有利
: 聽說這遊戲先手56%的時代和現在只有差卡池和後手少一張牌
兩大統計網站都有以往的勝率和數字
http://shadowlog.com/trend/2016/52/0/
http://syadoreco.com/web/analytics/overview/0
體感和現實上還是會有差距的
無印版本的時候, 那時候我體感是後手有利, 多一個進化點怎麼可能比較差呢
可是實況的時候閒聊, PPH提醒我, 其實先手佔優
一開始我還反駁, 不過自己認真下去統計, 先手勝率還真的高不少
後手EP3真的是合理設計, 本來後手就必須要提供多一個返場的手段
先攻的優勢在於可以早pp下怪, 等於是出題給對方解
在無印版本只要乙姬6T下, 小蘿內戰魔鬥凱8T準時丟, 幾乎都直接勝利
先後手勝率反轉在於暗黑進化改版時期
1. 後手多一張牌, 前期節奏強
2. 手牌上限多一張, 控制牌組大喜
控制牌組是後手有利的, 解牌相對比較便宜, 不需要高PP去搶場
而在後手可以搶贏節奏下, 偏偏強勢的進化卡都是4費
變成先攻在5費必須得下4費進化處理場面, 這樣就虧到不行
舉個例子就是先手4費有光頭, 但是卻不能下, 必須空過4費等5費進化
而先手要搶贏節奏就會輸卡差靠右手, 只有快攻型職業比較沒有這個問題
在ROB, 可以看得出CY想改善這點, 補強了不少4費佔場生物, 及5費解場卡
可是CY總是改了一個小的, 然後就弄一個更大的洞
--
CY:我把先手優勢的職業改的超強, 那先後手整體勝率就平衡啦
現在甲蟲妖才是最狗的套牌啊, 老手都應該去練練看...
--
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