岐路旅人2全破了,這代真的好讚 - Steam

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※ 引述《miHoYo (米哈遊)》之銘言:
: 隨便一款crpg劇情跟人物描寫敘事都馬贏jrpg
: 因為我常玩crpg阿 jrpg跟crpg比差不多阿
我發現你對CRPG的定義滿奇怪的,
CRPG指的是電腦上的角色扮演遊戲
https://i.imgur.com/v7Jq7Ec.png
你要指跟JRPG(日式RPG)對應的詞,應該是WRPG(西式RPG)
: → alanjiang: 薩爾達又不是JRPG 02/27 10:03
: → gwawa0617: 法環算jrpg嗎 還是只要日本人做的rpg就算= = 02/27 10:52
JRPG 跟 WRPG 我認為最大的差別在於,扮演的角色與敘事的手法。
傳統的西式RPG,是由桌上遊戲轉變而來,玩家扮演的角色是自訂的,
故事只有主軸大綱,玩家可以隨心所欲的扮演自己來冒險。
而日式RPG則是帶入遊戲預設的主角,主角必須遵照著預設的劇本演出。
以下詳述主要的差異點
角色背景
西式RPG:有較豐富的角色自訂系統,
不僅限於捏人,連玩家的初始職業,背景都可以自訂。
你可以是鐵匠後代、罪犯、商人、流浪者,隨便你開心。
日式RPG:玩家的背景、職業,遊戲已經設定好,
你是復國的王子、或是劍聖之子,父母是誰,小時候過什麼生活都已經刻好了。
故事敘述
西式RPG:玩家有自己的話語主導權,劇情推動與對話主角可以選擇說話內容,
因為玩家扮演的是自己,所以系統不會預設隨便幫玩家回話,
我們玩西式RPG最大的特點就是能看到,每次對話都一堆選項
https://i.imgur.com/MALwkcs.png
日式RPG:劇情比較一本道,過劇情時一連串的對話,主角會自己說出劇本的話,
玩家要做的就是一直按空白鍵看下一句。
遊戲系統
西式RPG:傳承至桌上遊戲,玩家可以有多樣手段解決問題,因此引申出很多技能,
像是可以用偷竊拿走任務道具、用力量破門或用開鎖技能開門,殺人或用嘴砲說服對方
也有貿易、電子、工程、煉金等多樣化的技能可以學習。
日式RPG:解決問題的手段比較單一,玩家主要就是學習戰鬥技能。
自由度與選擇權
西式RPG:因為玩家扮演的是自己,所以很大程度可以不按照劇本走,隨心所欲。
你可以上一秒幫城主完成任務稱兄道弟,下一秒就拿出刀砍了城主,
玩家的行為不需要合理化,玩得爽就好。
日式RPG:為了避免玩家失控,不會出現上一秒我們是好兄弟,下一秒就砍死對方的劇情,
如果有這類劇情,必須花篇幅描述主角的內心轉變,因為玩家扮演的是主角,不是自己。
主角作的每件事情都必須合理化。
當然,日式RPG跟西式RPG各有好玩特點,
像早期電腦沒有辦法負擔西式RPG這個世界所需要的自由度系統,
反而是日式RPG這種。可以把故事從頭到尾講好的設計,更符合大多數玩家,
同時因為日式RPG限制了玩家失控亂玩的可能,更能設計出深動、感人、轉折的劇情,
例如一直跟隨自己冒險的趙靈兒,最後決戰放大絕犧牲自己,感動無數玩家。
若是在西式RPG就必須考慮,如果玩家一開場就不讓趙靈兒入隊,一開場就殺了趙靈兒,
或是從頭到尾就沒去過仙靈島,而是用別的方法救了嬸娘的命,
甚至玩家根本就不喜歡趙靈兒,因為玩家喜歡的是御姊型的。
但是仙劍玩家扮演的不是自己,是李逍遙,所以才成就了仙劍的經典。
然而日式和西式RPG,並不是非黑即白,比較像是光譜的兩端,
要我畫個光譜表,大概是這樣。
https://i.imgur.com/G4n3PjU.png
(個人分類,非客觀)
簡單說,西式RPG,玩家更多的是扮演自己,寫自己的故事。
而日式RPG更多的是帶入主角,看一本精彩的小說。
--
至今我仍然深深相信,我是個帥哥,不過是量子力學定義中的帥哥。
當沒人觀測我的時候,我肯定是全地球最帥的男人。
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--
: 隨便一款crpg劇情跟人物描寫敘事都馬贏jrpg
: 因為我常玩crpg阿 jrpg跟crpg比差不多阿
我發現你對CRPG的定義滿奇怪的,
CRPG指的是電腦上的角色扮演遊戲
https://i.imgur.com/v7Jq7Ec.png

你要指跟JRPG(日式RPG)對應的詞,應該是WRPG(西式RPG)
: → alanjiang: 薩爾達又不是JRPG 02/27 10:03
: → gwawa0617: 法環算jrpg嗎 還是只要日本人做的rpg就算= = 02/27 10:52
JRPG 跟 WRPG 我認為最大的差別在於,扮演的角色與敘事的手法。
傳統的西式RPG,是由桌上遊戲轉變而來,玩家扮演的角色是自訂的,
故事只有主軸大綱,玩家可以隨心所欲的扮演自己來冒險。
而日式RPG則是帶入遊戲預設的主角,主角必須遵照著預設的劇本演出。
以下詳述主要的差異點
角色背景
西式RPG:有較豐富的角色自訂系統,
不僅限於捏人,連玩家的初始職業,背景都可以自訂。
你可以是鐵匠後代、罪犯、商人、流浪者,隨便你開心。
日式RPG:玩家的背景、職業,遊戲已經設定好,
你是復國的王子、或是劍聖之子,父母是誰,小時候過什麼生活都已經刻好了。
故事敘述
西式RPG:玩家有自己的話語主導權,劇情推動與對話主角可以選擇說話內容,
因為玩家扮演的是自己,所以系統不會預設隨便幫玩家回話,
我們玩西式RPG最大的特點就是能看到,每次對話都一堆選項
https://i.imgur.com/MALwkcs.png

日式RPG:劇情比較一本道,過劇情時一連串的對話,主角會自己說出劇本的話,
玩家要做的就是一直按空白鍵看下一句。
遊戲系統
西式RPG:傳承至桌上遊戲,玩家可以有多樣手段解決問題,因此引申出很多技能,
像是可以用偷竊拿走任務道具、用力量破門或用開鎖技能開門,殺人或用嘴砲說服對方
也有貿易、電子、工程、煉金等多樣化的技能可以學習。
日式RPG:解決問題的手段比較單一,玩家主要就是學習戰鬥技能。
自由度與選擇權
西式RPG:因為玩家扮演的是自己,所以很大程度可以不按照劇本走,隨心所欲。
你可以上一秒幫城主完成任務稱兄道弟,下一秒就拿出刀砍了城主,
玩家的行為不需要合理化,玩得爽就好。
日式RPG:為了避免玩家失控,不會出現上一秒我們是好兄弟,下一秒就砍死對方的劇情,
如果有這類劇情,必須花篇幅描述主角的內心轉變,因為玩家扮演的是主角,不是自己。
主角作的每件事情都必須合理化。
當然,日式RPG跟西式RPG各有好玩特點,
像早期電腦沒有辦法負擔西式RPG這個世界所需要的自由度系統,
反而是日式RPG這種。可以把故事從頭到尾講好的設計,更符合大多數玩家,
同時因為日式RPG限制了玩家失控亂玩的可能,更能設計出深動、感人、轉折的劇情,
例如一直跟隨自己冒險的趙靈兒,最後決戰放大絕犧牲自己,感動無數玩家。
若是在西式RPG就必須考慮,如果玩家一開場就不讓趙靈兒入隊,一開場就殺了趙靈兒,
或是從頭到尾就沒去過仙靈島,而是用別的方法救了嬸娘的命,
甚至玩家根本就不喜歡趙靈兒,因為玩家喜歡的是御姊型的。
但是仙劍玩家扮演的不是自己,是李逍遙,所以才成就了仙劍的經典。
然而日式和西式RPG,並不是非黑即白,比較像是光譜的兩端,
要我畫個光譜表,大概是這樣。
https://i.imgur.com/G4n3PjU.png

簡單說,西式RPG,玩家更多的是扮演自己,寫自己的故事。
而日式RPG更多的是帶入主角,看一本精彩的小說。
--
至今我仍然深深相信,我是個帥哥,不過是量子力學定義中的帥哥。
當沒人觀測我的時候,我肯定是全地球最帥的男人。
Line:kons0815
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