唯有放下,才能終結痛苦-最後生還者2 - PS
By Edwina
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說穿了還是那句老話
尼爾沒有用心想劇情而已
※ 引述《ThisisLongID (長哀滴)》之銘言
: ※ 引述《midas82539 (喵)》之銘言:
: : 雖然我實在很不想討論這遊戲到底還有哪裡爛了,不過就討論幾點做幾個客觀的
: : 糞點分析。
: : 那麼為何要把惠尼跟歐文弄成像降低智力做死反而讓艾莉「正當防衛」反殺?
: : 因為:1.劇情還是想把艾莉弄成不得不殺的好人 2.這些人本來在劇情就要死而退
場
: : 然而問題就在於,頑皮狗在做這款遊戲最後又決定放棄了開放性的故事架構。
: 頑皮狗做遊戲 從秘境到生還者 什麼時候給開放的故事架構??
: 一代Tess是個精明跟老喬合作已久的大姐頭
: 突然發瘋覺得送貨艾莉是神聖偉大 比自己+老喬生命安全還重要的任務?
: 然後在博物館就剛好一定會被咬??
: 這是不是角色迅速地出場又死去 完全沒有開放的故事架構???
首先,你要理解所謂的開放式架構是指沒有固定破關路線,並且地圖加大到可自由探索
的境界
是這個意思,不是指「劇情上的開放」
那開放架構稀奇不稀奇?其實一點都不稀奇
從敖廠長介紹下的幾十年前插3.5磁片就有這種東西了
以細節跟互動聞名的我印象就是莎木2最為深刻了
每個人物都可以互動(對話不會千篇一律)、每間店都能走進去,甚至能跟咖啡杯之類
的物品互動,並且有白天跟晚上
我沒記錯的話甚至有「星期幾」的概念
聞名於開放性架構的GTA則因為世界太大,反而部份細節犧牲掉了(例如有些屋子不能進
去之類的)
再回到劇情上
劇情的開放有沒有人嘗試過?有
暴雨殺機如果我沒記錯,玩到最後是個開放式結局,最後會依據玩家遊玩時的選擇給定
一個最後兇手的方向(但其實是開放的,因為每個結局都不一樣,這裡就不爆雷跔^
要探討到一代我認為你不夠格
為什麼?因為你連泰斯的心境都沒能體會,你居然能體會表現更糟的二代艾比跟艾莉?
實際上泰斯一開始會去幹這票大的只是因為:
1. 根本不知道這個死小孩被殭屍咬過
2. 要拿回屬於她的東西,很貴的東西
她的軍火應該是損失非常多,可能是頗具規模的財產,
你可以想像成你的最後生還者二跟白金主機一起被偷走賣掉了,你得去拿回來,順便對
方會送你一個聯名款的最後二希捷隨身硬碟....那樣(其實我現在有點心疼希捷....被
尼爾害死)
會被咬,你可以說她當時是耍白癡所以變這樣,
但是被咬完的心境一定會不一樣,
是你的話你會希望你把最後的任務好好做完吧?
喔啊對了第一次頑皮狗在開放性上做實驗是在秘境四的飛車追逐這裡
那裡可以兜風還算不錯
: : 它既沒有給予玩家對角色生殺的選擇,它又不想讓艾莉當壞人,而且同樣手法還重
複
: : 了兩次,結果對於玩家的體驗,就會變成:
: 頑皮狗的遊戲什麼時候給過玩家選擇??
: 一代最後的醫生你連往他腳趾開一槍他都要立刻死給你看你知道嗎? XD
: : 最明顯的就是歐文/梅爾/艾比的三角關係。
: : 艾比篇開局歐文說「梅爾懷孕了」讓艾比盛怒,玩家可以輕易理解艾比感到背叛的
憤怒。
: 這理解有問題
: 艾比篇三個月前的水族館劇情 艾比早知道歐文跟梅兒在一起 還已經一年
: 上樓看著聖誕襪禮物還能開玩笑
: 感到背叛? 艾比的設定是認為男女朋友交往超過一年作菜很神奇的5歲少女??
: : 但在艾莉篇像是迪娜也該有一個,迪娜也講「我懷孕了」,特別是在不久前
: : 這個懷孕梗才用了一次,這種鏡像的表現坦白說就很蠢,只會讓玩家覺得「又來?
」
: 狄娜懷孕完全不覺得有「又來」感
: 反而是覺得知道遊戲難度開始增加必然要讓神勇小幫手離場的處理有點急
: 要說突兀感也會是前一天活跳跳 到地鐵後面雖然開始鋪梗身體不太舒服
: 但隔天完全變成戰鬥力0很有事
: : 最糟的是艾比篇第一天還跟梅爾組隊,曼尼很努力的助攻破冰,你正以為艾比跟梅
爾
: : 算和好了沒問題。第二天梅爾就噴艾比「你就是個爛人!」
: : 不論是讀者還是玩家都會感到困惑,覺得:「阿是怎樣你他媽都在演戲是不是?」
: : 然後當晚歐文發情艾比還跟歐文打一炮?
: 這故事時序已經超脫正常人理解了
: 1. 艾比歐文打炮是第一天結束
: 2. 梅兒噴艾比是爛人是第三天開頭
: (以時間點來說 有一種編劇正誇艾比救了葉拉 夢裡可以樂見亡父
: 看起來PTSD已解決人生要一片光明時 又要給她潑個冷水)
: 3. 梅兒轉生氣的原因是與艾比的對話
: 她在第二天的觀察原本只感覺艾比與歐文有不尋常曖昧
: 認為艾比找小孩給歐文救是一種知道歐文善心的女孩兒心機小手段
: 然後當她質問艾比救殘疤小孩難道與歐文完全無關時
: 艾比反而答非所問地說人都會犯錯 等於自爆跟歐文有一腿 才會引爆梅兒不滿
不用特別去為作者自己都沒想清楚的劇情去解釋
事實上尼爾這裡大概只是為了鋪陳一個對立矛盾點以及三角關係,好讓劇情推進到女的
懷孕然後不爽而已
懷孕只是為了讓艾莉殺她時會愧疚(噁心艾莉用的)
三角戀只是為了闡述多元成家的環境(噁心誰我就不好說了)
: : 就算是歐文或梅爾死了,我不認為有玩家會對他們的死亡覺得可憐。
: 對梅兒有感的人應該較少
: 但歐文是整個tlous2人物裡最願意持續找尋光明的人 喜歡他的並不沒少
不是找尋光明
是他有最起碼的認知,知道選復仇這條路的基本上是智障
浪費自己人力物力達成一個未必能看的結果不如放下一切為身邊的人努力更好。
馬的,這才叫原諒,這才叫成長好不好?
: : 這種就真的太空氣、太玄、資訊太少而讓讀者/玩家解讀困難。
: : 說真的我破了兩輪,剛又看了一次共三次我還是抓不準艾莉不殺的原因,
: : 更何況是第一次看這故事的玩家?
: : 結果就會變成隨著不同玩家會有不同解讀,而且不見得都可以接受這鬼劇情:
: 頑皮狗式留白在最後1大成功 秘境4複製反應沒太差 自然延續到最後2
: : 像這種低劣的表現還真的滿罕見的。遊戲《新櫻花大戰》女主角天宮櫻在第五話
: : 對夜叉到底是不是櫻花大戰一代的真宮寺櫻而猶豫與獨白都做的比最後2好。
: 如果喜歡角色猶豫與獨白的部分 那就應該看艾莉的日記
: 除了我原文說劇情應該加強描述的地方 她的心理狀態寫得 超 級 清 楚
: 要更進一步的玩家 連裡面艾莉自己編的歌詞劃掉什麼再寫什麼都可以推敲
: 不過我想 已經討厭導演與演出至極的玩家 會有多少人願意花時間在這上面?
你想多了,這裡只有過過場而已
不然為什麼神來一筆喬爾的回憶他就會放掉艾比,
那個只看過兩三次而且殺了自己身邊的人的艾比?
槓,你是不是嗑了大麻副作用還沒消停,看到喬爾的幻象?
艾莉的日記你確定不是拿來噁心觀眾用的嗎
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