公會任務事件數據討論-逆風的味道 - 神魔之塔

By Margaret
at 2020-06-14T00:14
at 2020-06-14T00:14
Table of Contents
以下主要參考的資料是:
巴哈的"公會任務數據的個人看法"1樓&14樓&18樓
https://reurl.cc/mn2d1V
還有官方提供的Excel檔兩相對照所做的整理
在我們開始探討事件真相之前
先聲明我是個邊緣人只是想上來刷存在感
並不認識任何高手大神大佬 也沒有半點後門可以鑽
只是吃飽太閒拿數據來看看而已
然後...還不趕快去買包爆米花來配!! 還要我教?!
先貼個懶人包圖表:
https://imgur.com/mgZt7bp
1.二十四小時刷關的盲點
一開始我看到美吉那篇的時候
也是想說兩個人刷24小時怎麼可能輸給單人刷19小時
兩個人兩班制 輪流刷12小時感覺還算正常人合理行動
^^^^^^^^^^^^
盲點就是這裡
我們忽略了真的是兩個人輪班12小時嗎?
看過數據的人一定很少很少
我在這裡告訴各位:
其實光是DC一人就每天平均至少17小時
阿勒勒?是不是有點奇怪?
單人刷17小時 OK 單人刷19小時 就不OK?
質疑的大大可能比較少經歷一些操(超?)人的活動吧
例如大學帶營隊一周 平均每天睡不到3小時的人懂我在說什麼
或是設計系建築系的朋友們在期末衝刺的時候是不是也整周爆肝?
又或是電資學院的朋友們final project不提早寫 擠到期末才衝刺熬夜
極端一點的就像蛙人部隊最後一周都不能闔眼睡覺
所以請別太瞧不起人類的可能性
在Excel檔中可以從行為跟隊伍結合巴哈那篇18樓美吉的line圖對話
得知兩人交換班的情形
大部分時間都是美吉半夜一點到三點左右接手 打六小時上下
而且從line圖可得知DC原本還想要美吉只接4小時就好
代表DC原本的計畫很可能跟噹噹一樣:每天打19小時
懶人包: DC單人刷17小時並非兩人12小時輪班 噹噹單人刷19小時
2.說好的刷二十四小時
從上面的懶人包圖表可以得知七天公任其實有四天沒有刷滿24小時
甚至其中一天還只有22小時
並不像美吉本身說的24小時不停刷
從圖表也得知美吉連 每小時20場都很難辦到
七天公會任務 美吉有六天都達不到 每小時20場
照他自己的說法就是有事要忙 大家盡量別想成是技術問題
千等的大課長怎麼可能那麼弱您說是吧~
3.美吉不知道呂貂組合技&南納主動技
在巴哈"公會任務數據個人看法" 那篇底下18樓有後續美吉貼出的line圖
礙於未徵求同意與否所以沒能給伸手牌的人貼出來 請自己去看
在5/27之前 美吉都不是用南納隊或是呂布隊
是在DC苦口婆心 耐心指導下
美吉才知道王關要開南納主動技
而且看移動數據 有時候好像不知道轉5步就好
轉超過5步甚至十幾步
看不出這是想速刷的人會有的反應
https://imgur.com/RI02sdI
5/31 美吉才知道呂貂組合技
嘗試了一下覺得不合就回去繼續用南納
希望美吉只是剛好不知道這兩招主動技&組合技
4.真正的致敗關鍵
a.更換隊伍
從數據歷程與巴哈那篇的line圖中
能看出DC這位玩家頗具實力 尤其前面用南納隊甚至有幾場只花一分1十幾秒
但是不知道為什麼後面改用呂貂隊反而成績不太理想 時常一場要花到3分鐘
美吉的部分就不用提了
從懶人包圖表可以知道以DC的速度每打400場 美吉才打完300場
b.更換關卡
原本也是刷最簡單的暗好好的
但美吉說想練複製人五屈原 + DC的呂貂隊沒有放惠惠
所以打這個可能會遇到指定首消5C的關卡
對比其他人打暗關該wave用炸的或用南納1C都還慢
整體時間理所當然會慢下來
c.有人幫刷的怠惰感
難免人會有怠惰感
雖然DC的速度即使到後面三天還是很快
但是因為有美吉幫忙刷 所以難免會覺得可以早點休息吧
不然看line圖 DC原本打算刷更長的時間
小結:
如果DC不換隊伍 堅持用前面南納隊的速度也不換關卡
前四天每天17小時能有450場上下的成績
但是後面三天換了呂布隊陪美吉刷水關 導致只有400場上下的成績很傷
三天差50場這樣就150場了
五份玩家數據就只有DC美吉這組在刷麻煩的首消5C
事倍功半速度慢 拜託別怪他人太快
Bonus1:效率數據分布圖
先看這張圖
https://imgur.com/Mx0Gx7H
數據出來其實可以有很多種解讀方向
起初這張圖是被美吉等人解讀為
玩家1與疑似開掛玩家4,5 的圖形較接近 所以一口咬定是開掛
不過我換掉了文字 提供不同的解讀方向
有看數據的人會知道玩家2與玩家3換了很多隊伍
例如玩家2就是美吉&DC的圖 很顯然DC的通關效率跟美吉差很多
所以效率分布圖理所當然的很"均勻"
玩家3包含調整 反反覆覆大約也換了五種隊形以上
而且作息是相當不規律 導致效率的級距會更大
也看的出來一直在嘗試不同隊伍 所以效率自然容易有高有低
其實玩家3用team14 五萬多血的那隊 可以有每小時30場的優秀成績
但可能還是只想無腦刷 就改回南納隊
而玩家1的部分只有第一天用過南納隊 之後都是同一呂布隊在刷
效率自然不會像頻繁更換玩家跟更換關卡相差那麼巨大
Bonus2.數據分析文幾乎一面倒挺噹噹
這個當然不是我單方面說了算
就PTT看到的數據文跟巴哈的數據文皆是如此
當然會有些反例就像我上面舉的效率分布圖一樣
用什麼角度去解讀才合理就看各位的判斷了
其他一些以為抓到語病的就別出來獻醜了
例如有人質疑
"噹噹自稱1wave只要一兩步 官方統計為什麼說4~7步?分明作弊!"
聽我一句
因為你他媽的就沒去看數據 是在大聲什麼啦!
Bonus3.連刷七天體力一定會下滑?
沒錯 我們不是超人 體力一定會下滑
但是我們看玩家2&玩家3的數據 即使到後面幾天還是能有很高速的水準
其實要從公任看到體力下滑的情況是很困難的
因為六日是加倍日....
到了後面絕對是意志力突破天際的撐下去
例如玩家3最後一天也繳出了23小時/639場的驚人成績
你跟我說體力下滑? 不是阿 這個人是越戰越強耶
在這群每天願意花100石補體刷公任
熱愛神魔成痴的玩家面前 請別輕易的把常理套在他們身上
Bonus4.有數據分析文質疑美吉&DC開掛
質疑的文是巴哈那個連結中的14樓
他之所以這麼質疑是因為這段數據
https://imgur.com/HqMorcA
這個是每次每回合的轉珠步數
相對於前面看起踉蹌不堪的轉珠 甚至死亡的情形
後面用南納隊明顯穩定太多
程度差異太大所以不禁讓該分析文誤以為是開腳本
之後學會南納隊的美吉曾有一兩個數據也頗令他質疑
https://imgur.com/ogx2FgI
分別是南納隊打暗關跟呂布隊打水關
平時一關都8~9回合通關 突然卡了15跟16回合之久
呂布隊甚至差點死去 最低血量被打到剩下114
南納隊打暗關照理說 王關切開光珠搭配主動技應該是穩穩一次帶走
但是不知道為什麼南納主動開了3次 回合數也拖到近兩倍才通關
照美吉的說法是他根本不會用呂布隊所以之後就沒試了
卻沒有解釋2799南納隊的奇異現象
如果只有一次就算了
但5/31又發生一次 如下圖
https://imgur.com/caHXREd
這次總血量兩萬七的南納隊花了13回合通關 卻死亡吃石復活一次
在公會任務吃石復活在其他玩家的數據並沒有看到這種操作...
不免會讓人懷疑是不是腳本跑一跑不小心死了又按到吃石
不然就是貧窮限制了我的想像 公任復活吃石沒什麼
以上 就是某個邊緣人無聊看不下去上來湊湊熱鬧而已
以下稍微平反一下
※ 引述《Hotaru4502 (螢火蟲)》之銘言:
: 嘿,我是m蟲,受美吉委託,將他對於這次事件的想法轉貼來PTT
: 在正文之前有一些閒聊寫在前頭
: 一路看著他對神魔的付出、各種不求回報的資訊整理
: 打造了神魔報報資訊館以及協作平台
: 在MH的官方社群上,除了眾所皆知的巴哈、PTT、熾天使以及G8GAME之外
: 他憑藉著自己的努力與熱情登上了官方公告的第三方推薦社群
: https://towerofsaviors.com/official-community/
: 作了報報快遞服務了二百多個群,訂閱人數近三萬多名玩家
: 美吉是我非常仰慕的資深玩家
: 對於他的離開也深感痛心,失去了朋友的陪伴
: 本蟲也決定和神魔告別,祝大家遊戲愉快
: 正文開始
: UID 274741448
: 退塔了!
其實您完全沒必要退塔
: ---------------------------------
: 1000等、入遊2488天、AM 2145、648雙週滿
: 公會90407 美吉幫 會長
: 報報快遞小編
: 神魔報報資訊館協作平台創辦人
: 神魔報報資訊館粉絲小編
: 上述資料只是讓各位知道
: 我很喜歡神魔並不是來炫耀!
: 2020/6/6 一個心痛的決定
: 原因:神魔官方無法給玩家一個公平、公正的遊戲空間和氛圍
: 事件一:神魔盃比賽
: 這次比賽,官方之前也公告了為何比賽要設計全新的關卡
: 也就選手中有人用了測試服作了提早的作業練習
: 這樣選手的產生即使是好手,也失去了這個比賽的公正性
: 這樣的作法難道不改善嗎?
: https://reurl.cc/20vqWn
: (各位若認同可以去官網fb這則留言下看看再留言)
這部分目前說是四強只有一人沒打測試服
完全是MH要負起全責
個人臆測
原本MH應該是打算內部解決商量好才行動或是裝死將錯就錯
: 事件二:
: 對於官方這次公會任務後,鎖黑夜公會NC噹噹帳、而又解鎖這樣的作為
: "完全無法認同"
: 這事我和官方一再反應但沒獲得正面回覆
: 各位或許不知事件,但可自下文看看
: 下面是給NC噹噹的話
: 這次到李大(天降)公會友情幫忙
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
天降公會
不..好..意..思..喔..
我怎麼記得開掛的玩家4也是貴公會?
https://imgur.com/MaBxGel
四個被鎖的玩家 裡面就有兩個字眼有天降的
恩....
https://imgur.com/qIMcKRx
: 李大公會第一名的帳339800分
: 就是我和DC二人廿四小時沒停打下來的結果
這裡再補上我整理的懶人圖 不服氣歡迎去統計數據
https://imgur.com/R6jZUrl
七天有四天並沒有24小時不停刷
當然
我理解你想強調你們很努力的意思
但其實並沒有那麼努力
尤其是你
: 你很努力我認同
: 但如何努力的,我不相信你的清白
: 你的確有速度,但七天憑你一個人
: 你仍能休息,而我的帳號從沒停過
: 你一天休息4至6小時
其實原本DC也是要這樣拚
為什麼要阻止人家?(來源:巴哈line圖)
: 算六天好了,這一路下來
: 你休息了24小時也就是一天
: 我們比你足足多一天的時間打場次
: 姑且不算分數,因亂入每人運氣不同
: 我們算低能好了,一小時只能刷20場
DC不低能
: 24小時我們應可多刷480場 (當然我們的速度不是這樣)
: 我們也很快,這次公任很容易,二卡就可以1C速刷了
但是從你的表現來看 我並不覺得容易耶
還是那樣對你算容易了?
: 可是七天下來,我們一個廿四小時沒停的帳比你少刷了271場
: https://i.imgur.com/u1dyN0p.jpg

: 算起來打35萬都是極限了
: 可是你近37萬分,你真的把大家全踩腳底下了
: 你應參賽神魔盃,沒人比你手速快
: 這篇留言話很重、很白,並不是我一向的行事作風
: 也因以上兩事,我決定退塔了
: 離開一個無法給玩家公平公正的遊戲空間的遊戲,我心累了
: 長期以來,我喜歡這個遊戲、喜歡這個遊戲裡結交的朋友
: 認同它,所以我創了公會
: "一個沒拼過百大.沒招生目前20等的公會"
: 創了各服務平台,有line、有網頁
: 我不是達人、不是女將,只有一顆喜歡神魔的心
: 每次在網上分享特殊日子的紀念圖
: 看著帳號成長,感受著一群友人陪我玩
: 總是欣喜
看的出來你真的很愛神魔
但是聽我中肯的諫言:
你不適合刷公會任務
在巴哈https://reurl.cc/mn2d1V 的18樓
從line圖可以看到DC真的很辛苦
因為他還特別錄影片為的是教你怎麼用南納隊跟呂貂隊
希望他line中對你的不告而別 並不是對你太失望
: 每次PO圖,大家除了給我肯定
: 最好奇的是我的抽卡數
: 今天它將成為歷史了,我公開它
: 表示這麼長久以來我對神魔的支持
: 沒炫富、沒要大家比較或討論
: 附圖只是一份紀念
: 紀念我在神魔的日子走過的足跡
: https://i.imgur.com/0EOqJv0.jpg

: 對神魔今天真的心痛也心碎了
: 盼神魔官方能在每次的事件後檢討修復
: 給玩家一個公平公正好玩的遊戲體驗是你們應做的
: 對各位給上我最誠摯祝福
: 祝遊戲開心、諸事順心
你各位爆米花吃完了沒? 看爽了沒?
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