TGH:要怎麼砍德魯伊比較好? - 爐石戰記

By Genevieve
at 2017-08-30T03:12
at 2017-08-30T03:12
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這版德的問題明顯到不行,之前就講過,就是因為一張低費卡的水晶價值估錯,
衍伸到一堆相關卡的問題。但以BZ慣例大概最後動刀的都不是這些XD
爐石就是個數學遊戲,看所有的二費卡,最多都是攻加體=5然後加特別效果。少
數幾張體質超過的都帶有負面懲罰效果,比方說Millhouse、髒老鼠、術士的2/4/3
。結果你做出一張化蟲德魯伊2/1/5,攻加體=6已經超過標準水準了,又給他嘲諷
這特殊效果,以水晶價值來說絕對是3費的卡
再來這張超體質的卡偏偏又給了德魯伊!德魯伊原本多數職業卡並不強,看競技
場德不強勢就知道。德是靠啟動成長偷水晶,用多的水晶搭配其他普普的職業卡
差不多可以達到平衡。結果你把這張OP卡給了德,還用這張2/1/5嘲諷當基準又做
出了5費散播瘟疫跟7費英雄卡......想以前7費頂多下古樹等於補10滴,現在變個
身就補15還提升天生技,5費鋪牆的扯就更不用說了
終極瘟疫當然也是超價值卡,但可以明顯感覺得出來這張不是問題關鍵。如果不
是有那幾張生一堆2/1/5嘲諷的築牆卡,德最好帶牌打牌敢那麼偷,每個都直接養
水晶10費終極瘟疫。簡單說沒嘲諷牆就算讓你神起手狂跳費T5出終極瘟疫還是一
樣要被快攻打死
至於翠玉塑像永動機那已經延續幾個版本,是從翠玉出來就有的老問題;而成長
啟動就是德的特色,有點像戰士起手有小斧勝率大升一樣。啟動這幾版本有點OP
在於TOKEN德前期場面容易滾雪球滾得太扯,這也主要是玉蓮印記跟新出來的卡的
問題。如果反過來砍這些基本卡德的特色大概會完全改變了
※ 引述《turningright (Right)》之銘言:
: source:https://goo.gl/BYHmqM
: 網頁圖文版:https://goo.gl/Uea4HX
: Is there a good way to nerf Druid?
: 讓我們來想像一個畫面,把時間拉到幾個月後。假設那時的德魯伊,更具體來說是翠玉德
: ,在無剋星的情況下依舊橫行天梯。Mike Donais、Ben Brode、Dean Ayala和其他的設計
: 團隊成員齊聚一堂開圓桌會議,共同討論起德魯伊的過去、現在和將來。玩家對霸君德魯
: 伊的怨聲載道迫使他們必須採取行動,他們決定不要等到新資料片出來再開始動作,選擇
: 即刻行動。
: 暴雪設計團隊手上捧的是個燙手山芋。德魯伊的強是好幾張關鍵卡所交織而成,且其中有
: 很多張都是這個職業的招牌。我們當然可以簡單地削弱野性成長、啟動和揮擊來殲滅翠玉
: 德,但若少了這些卡,瑪法里恩將會變成2p色的雷克薩。
: 但若不動到德魯伊的核心而去改其他張卡,這樣未來可能會出現更強的德魯伊。所以我們
: 該從哪些卡下手呢?
: 啟動
: 啟動是德魯伊問題的癥結,它基本上是每副德魯伊牌的必放卡,也就是德魯伊能用的最強
: 節奏卡。用單張卡換取兩顆臨時水晶很強,特別是在遊戲前期用的時候更棒。無論是拿來
: 出雪球怪、上Buff、搭拍賣師抽牌,或是配藍龍斬殺皆宜。
: 有些人(例如Reynad)認為啟動一點都不有趣,做為一張單卡太過OP。而持反論的則表示啟
: 動是德魯伊跳費的招牌強卡之一。改動或輪替掉這張卡雖能騰出許多卡牌設計的空間,但
: 必須要拿德魯伊永久下滑的強度做為代價。
: 優點 釋放卡牌設計空間
: 縮短有無啟動的前期差距
: 玩家比較好應付兇惡幼雛這類的卡
: 缺點 殃及沒問題的德魯伊
: 德魯伊強度永久性下滑
: 傷及職業特色
: 翠玉塑像
: 翠玉塑像是許多玩家怒火首當其衝的對象。雖然這個無限威脅生產器已經加裝了潛伏的魂
: 屍這個停止鈕,但他依舊是強力抗控牌組的核心卡之一,也就是當前天梯最熱門的套牌。
: 限制長菜的能力可能是唯一合理的改動選項。這樣翠玉德打控制的勝率將會下滑,同時又
: 不動到其他新的德魯伊套牌。但這樣對翠玉德總體的勝率影響有限,而且這版才剛出一個
: 潛伏的魂屍,所以這樣改也沒啥邏輯。
: 優點 只砍到翠玉德
: 讓翠玉德與控制的對決不再那麼一面倒
: 保留職業特色
: 缺點 對勝率影響有限
: 已經有潛伏的魂屍在了
: 翠玉塑像很快就會被輪替掉
: 終極瘟疫
: 這張卡是德魯伊牌庫的新寵兒,也同樣是討論度最高的。我之前曾有撰一篇文討論這張卡
: ,雖然它的效果跟其他十費卡相比沒特別OP,但這個比較有點漏洞,因這張卡跟德魯伊的
: 跳費機制的向性極佳,也不需要特別的搭配就能發揮出很棒的效果。
: 終極瘟疫是否太OP?這個問題的答案可能會因Meta的反應而有所改變。如果Meta加速來抗
: 德的話,那這張卡的出場率可能就不會這麼高了。更甚者,終極瘟疫改起來有點麻煩,因
: 為它是一張十費卡,所以耗費不能再提高了,也因為它卡片效果的數字都是五,所以通通
: 改成四的話可能會太高費。
: 此外,想抽牌的德魯伊可以走回以前拍賣師的老套路,而這樣顯然會削弱翠玉德的宰制力
: 。畢竟抽太強的知識古樹的汁液還留在手術台上。
: 優點 調降其他跳費卡的強度
: 不影響德魯伊的經典卡
: 有知識古樹的先例
: 缺點 德還有其他的抽牌手段
: 傷及非翠玉路線的德魯伊
: 跟其他十費卡相比沒特別OP
: 散播瘟疫
: 這張卡是德魯伊宰制天梯背後的功臣,可以打回節奏,又可架起嘲諷抗快,因此能大幅改
: 善快攻對局。一度是翠玉德軟康特的海盜戰如今因這張卡而落居劣勢,散播瘟疫的出現代
: 表傳統快攻的抗德打法(橫向舖場)不再管用了。
: 因此玩家需要改打縱向鋪場,魚人聖非常擅長這點,但即便如此,烏瑟還是很難應對這張
: 卡。削弱散播瘟疫將會使德魯伊抗快的穩定性降低,因而讓他的帶牌不再那麼偷。但很不
: 幸,推快攻表示可能也會強化到快攻德。而翠玉德和控制間的對決也將會更一面倒。
: 優點 影響大
: Meta可以自我修正
: 拉回德魯伊對海場面弱勢的職業特色
: 缺點 翠玉德對戰更兩極
: 推快攻德一把
: 加速Meta
: 榮譽提名
: 這邊還有幾張出問題的非職業專屬卡,阿雅、拍賣師和翠玉之靈這些卡也受到了關注。但
: 因為改動這些卡會波及到其他的職業,所以至少在下一波輪替前不太可能會有變更。
--
衍伸到一堆相關卡的問題。但以BZ慣例大概最後動刀的都不是這些XD
爐石就是個數學遊戲,看所有的二費卡,最多都是攻加體=5然後加特別效果。少
數幾張體質超過的都帶有負面懲罰效果,比方說Millhouse、髒老鼠、術士的2/4/3
。結果你做出一張化蟲德魯伊2/1/5,攻加體=6已經超過標準水準了,又給他嘲諷
這特殊效果,以水晶價值來說絕對是3費的卡
再來這張超體質的卡偏偏又給了德魯伊!德魯伊原本多數職業卡並不強,看競技
場德不強勢就知道。德是靠啟動成長偷水晶,用多的水晶搭配其他普普的職業卡
差不多可以達到平衡。結果你把這張OP卡給了德,還用這張2/1/5嘲諷當基準又做
出了5費散播瘟疫跟7費英雄卡......想以前7費頂多下古樹等於補10滴,現在變個
身就補15還提升天生技,5費鋪牆的扯就更不用說了
終極瘟疫當然也是超價值卡,但可以明顯感覺得出來這張不是問題關鍵。如果不
是有那幾張生一堆2/1/5嘲諷的築牆卡,德最好帶牌打牌敢那麼偷,每個都直接養
水晶10費終極瘟疫。簡單說沒嘲諷牆就算讓你神起手狂跳費T5出終極瘟疫還是一
樣要被快攻打死
至於翠玉塑像永動機那已經延續幾個版本,是從翠玉出來就有的老問題;而成長
啟動就是德的特色,有點像戰士起手有小斧勝率大升一樣。啟動這幾版本有點OP
在於TOKEN德前期場面容易滾雪球滾得太扯,這也主要是玉蓮印記跟新出來的卡的
問題。如果反過來砍這些基本卡德的特色大概會完全改變了
※ 引述《turningright (Right)》之銘言:
: source:https://goo.gl/BYHmqM
: 網頁圖文版:https://goo.gl/Uea4HX
: Is there a good way to nerf Druid?
: 讓我們來想像一個畫面,把時間拉到幾個月後。假設那時的德魯伊,更具體來說是翠玉德
: ,在無剋星的情況下依舊橫行天梯。Mike Donais、Ben Brode、Dean Ayala和其他的設計
: 團隊成員齊聚一堂開圓桌會議,共同討論起德魯伊的過去、現在和將來。玩家對霸君德魯
: 伊的怨聲載道迫使他們必須採取行動,他們決定不要等到新資料片出來再開始動作,選擇
: 即刻行動。
: 暴雪設計團隊手上捧的是個燙手山芋。德魯伊的強是好幾張關鍵卡所交織而成,且其中有
: 很多張都是這個職業的招牌。我們當然可以簡單地削弱野性成長、啟動和揮擊來殲滅翠玉
: 德,但若少了這些卡,瑪法里恩將會變成2p色的雷克薩。
: 但若不動到德魯伊的核心而去改其他張卡,這樣未來可能會出現更強的德魯伊。所以我們
: 該從哪些卡下手呢?
: 啟動
: 啟動是德魯伊問題的癥結,它基本上是每副德魯伊牌的必放卡,也就是德魯伊能用的最強
: 節奏卡。用單張卡換取兩顆臨時水晶很強,特別是在遊戲前期用的時候更棒。無論是拿來
: 出雪球怪、上Buff、搭拍賣師抽牌,或是配藍龍斬殺皆宜。
: 有些人(例如Reynad)認為啟動一點都不有趣,做為一張單卡太過OP。而持反論的則表示啟
: 動是德魯伊跳費的招牌強卡之一。改動或輪替掉這張卡雖能騰出許多卡牌設計的空間,但
: 必須要拿德魯伊永久下滑的強度做為代價。
: 優點 釋放卡牌設計空間
: 縮短有無啟動的前期差距
: 玩家比較好應付兇惡幼雛這類的卡
: 缺點 殃及沒問題的德魯伊
: 德魯伊強度永久性下滑
: 傷及職業特色
: 翠玉塑像
: 翠玉塑像是許多玩家怒火首當其衝的對象。雖然這個無限威脅生產器已經加裝了潛伏的魂
: 屍這個停止鈕,但他依舊是強力抗控牌組的核心卡之一,也就是當前天梯最熱門的套牌。
: 限制長菜的能力可能是唯一合理的改動選項。這樣翠玉德打控制的勝率將會下滑,同時又
: 不動到其他新的德魯伊套牌。但這樣對翠玉德總體的勝率影響有限,而且這版才剛出一個
: 潛伏的魂屍,所以這樣改也沒啥邏輯。
: 優點 只砍到翠玉德
: 讓翠玉德與控制的對決不再那麼一面倒
: 保留職業特色
: 缺點 對勝率影響有限
: 已經有潛伏的魂屍在了
: 翠玉塑像很快就會被輪替掉
: 終極瘟疫
: 這張卡是德魯伊牌庫的新寵兒,也同樣是討論度最高的。我之前曾有撰一篇文討論這張卡
: ,雖然它的效果跟其他十費卡相比沒特別OP,但這個比較有點漏洞,因這張卡跟德魯伊的
: 跳費機制的向性極佳,也不需要特別的搭配就能發揮出很棒的效果。
: 終極瘟疫是否太OP?這個問題的答案可能會因Meta的反應而有所改變。如果Meta加速來抗
: 德的話,那這張卡的出場率可能就不會這麼高了。更甚者,終極瘟疫改起來有點麻煩,因
: 為它是一張十費卡,所以耗費不能再提高了,也因為它卡片效果的數字都是五,所以通通
: 改成四的話可能會太高費。
: 此外,想抽牌的德魯伊可以走回以前拍賣師的老套路,而這樣顯然會削弱翠玉德的宰制力
: 。畢竟抽太強的知識古樹的汁液還留在手術台上。
: 優點 調降其他跳費卡的強度
: 不影響德魯伊的經典卡
: 有知識古樹的先例
: 缺點 德還有其他的抽牌手段
: 傷及非翠玉路線的德魯伊
: 跟其他十費卡相比沒特別OP
: 散播瘟疫
: 這張卡是德魯伊宰制天梯背後的功臣,可以打回節奏,又可架起嘲諷抗快,因此能大幅改
: 善快攻對局。一度是翠玉德軟康特的海盜戰如今因這張卡而落居劣勢,散播瘟疫的出現代
: 表傳統快攻的抗德打法(橫向舖場)不再管用了。
: 因此玩家需要改打縱向鋪場,魚人聖非常擅長這點,但即便如此,烏瑟還是很難應對這張
: 卡。削弱散播瘟疫將會使德魯伊抗快的穩定性降低,因而讓他的帶牌不再那麼偷。但很不
: 幸,推快攻表示可能也會強化到快攻德。而翠玉德和控制間的對決也將會更一面倒。
: 優點 影響大
: Meta可以自我修正
: 拉回德魯伊對海場面弱勢的職業特色
: 缺點 翠玉德對戰更兩極
: 推快攻德一把
: 加速Meta
: 榮譽提名
: 這邊還有幾張出問題的非職業專屬卡,阿雅、拍賣師和翠玉之靈這些卡也受到了關注。但
: 因為改動這些卡會波及到其他的職業,所以至少在下一波輪替前不太可能會有變更。
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at 2017-08-29T22:22
at 2017-08-29T22:22
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at 2017-08-29T19:20
at 2017-08-29T19:20