Steam板傳奇人物:轉賣商onlytfgsu懶人包 - Steam
By Edwina
at 2017-02-19T23:57
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Steam板上的傳奇人物:轉賣商onlytfgsu之懶人包
我來替大家做個onlytfgsu懶人包吧,我算是舉發這個事情的前端,所以我想也乾脆來做個總結,讓大家釐清始末,因為很多文都被更動刪除太過麻煩,所以只好提供其他網站的備份頁面。
事實上,onlytfgsu不是唯一在ptt上的商人,但他已經可以算是奇特的一個轉賣商,明明大家都知道他在做什麼,他卻也一直坦當當的說自己沒做。利用ptt作為營利的跳板,還口口聲聲說沒營利,利用他的神鬼邏輯告訴大家:「你要我不收購,那大家都也都不要在這裡交易遊戲阿。」擺明我就算徵來賣,你們也奈何不了我,近期steam版的混亂也是來自於此。
onlytfgsu第一次在ptt上低價收購遊戲用來高價轉賣是從哪時開始,我並不清楚,目前最早可以追溯到的應該是2017年1月9日在gamesale板徵watch dogs 2 uplay版700元,他當時是這樣說的:「跟朋友玩 想多收幾組 價錢可議」
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1483906034-a-e48
然後你就看到他的蝦皮賣場上出現了一件相同的商品,售價1000元。
https://shopee.tw/reynardsu
到2017年1月22日開始在gamesale板徵hitman,一份310元,這是一個顯示卡贈送活動從去年11月到今年2月22日,所以他收到非常多份(我不確定數量,但50份以上絕對有。)
為什麼敢收這麼多份,因為真的很好賣,我算給你看,Hitman完全版在steam商店售價1790元,如果你賣五折,895元,至少賺兩倍以上。誰願意花這麼多錢買?因為steam價格分區關係,國外購買這款遊戲會比台灣來得貴上很多,對於他們來說,非常願意付這個價錢。
https://www.g2a.com/hitman-steam-cd-key-global-1.html
那他怎麼開始接觸到這些的,一開始賣一些一美元的Humble包,逐漸地發現到PTT上的steam板交易區和Gamesale板有太多便宜的序號可以大量收購。onlytfgsu賺得越來越多,就越來越大膽,甚至直接就在steam板上標出他期望收到的高額數量,這種事情就連過去任何在ptt上的商人都是沒史無前例的。
http://www.ucptt.com/article/Steam/1485269343/DB9
http://www.ucptt.com/article/Steam/1485531188/A14
要不是因為他在steam板上收這麼大的數量,說真的我根本不知道這號人物。
他在國外商場上吃了一點小虧(其實根本不虧),他不知道Humble月包的Xcom2有鎖區,有些外國人是無法直接啟動的,所以他沒怎麼賣出,但是他沒差,他靠著Hitman和不知為何老外如此熱愛的Rust賺滿他的荷包了,我隨便算一下好了,他賣了29組Hitman,一組賺500元,一共是14500元台幣,當然這些只是他收到的一小部分數量而已哦。所以你為什麼可以看到他最早收rust一份70元可以漲到150元,因為就好賺阿,阿所以「Clinkz」你當初說大家便宜賣是什麼鳥價的話,你覺得onlytfgsu出多少才合理阿?
1月28日我和板主舉發並發文後,onlytfgsu表示「沒有獲利行為 哪有營利的狀況?」、「碰觸到大家內心敏感的那一面很抱歉我以後只徵要自用自己玩 自己研究的遊戲再次鄭重道歉。」,而板主制定以後不准徵超過10件以上的遊戲,根本是毫無抵制,重點不在於數量,而是徵收的目的。patrick339說他徵200份rust是用來弄啥伺服器用的,我是聽不懂啦,我也不知道到底真相是如何。
http://www.ucptt.com/article/Steam/1485575751/8FD
然後onlytfgsu就辦了新年抽獎,把他賣出剩餘的組包內的遊戲好幾組送給大家。
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1485688255-a-b1e
抽獎結束隔天,知道steam板這邊不這麼方便徵了,但轉賣生意還是要繼續做,就跑到gamesale板日常徵收hitman序號,提高價格為310元。
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1485713160-a-e42
陸陸續續地徵hitman,好賺阿,提高價格為350元。
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1486065471-a-ef5
忘記說,這過程中都還沒有算入他仍然繼續在steam板交易區大量繼續徵收其他遊戲喔。
重點來了,他在國外商場賺的錢是外幣阿,必須要兌換台幣才能花阿,怎麼做?很簡單,付商場手續費,不要的話,你還可以拿這些錢買steam錢包序號,拿來賣給大家總可以兌換台幣吧,所以他在2月3日時發文:「自己存了一張 可儲值1556元 在美國亞馬遜買禮物卡的時候多按了一個位數 付款時才發現 不需要這麼多錢放在STEAM 故求售 我不是商家 沒有其他面額可選擇 謝謝各位」
阿不小心地就被版友rwhung和fly0204抓到把柄:Amazon從來沒賣過Steam錢包虛擬序號,所以你是跑到哪裡買去了?這件事情就這樣草草結束了,誰也沒想到蝦皮只是他兌換台幣的其中一個管道,利用賺來的外幣買遊戲再一次在國內轉賣再賺一筆。https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1486079875-a-a54
另外如果我有說錯的話,還是請onlytfgsu不要只會刪文,應該把amazon買太多沒退款的禮品卡結帳記錄展示給大家看一下,還是說拍一下你買的這麼多張的實體卡,來證明你是正確的?而我認為你是從這樣的地方買來的steam錢包的。
https://www.g2a.com/steam-gift-card-50-usd-cd-key-global.html
ptt的Steam板這邊無法讓他兌現,就跑到蝦皮搞九折代購來兌現,順便賺評價。但九折代購其實在網拍上不怎麼熱門,沒多少人知道這個好物。
不過從這天開始之後他不再到gamesale發徵文,而是低調地一直徵收板上幾乎所有出售的hitman序號,這樣做還可以控制價格,當時徵文都是300元,比他先前收350還便宜阿。
我忘記我是怎麼注意到的,好像是SemiAuto介紹Hitman多好玩,300元買到超便宜這樣,2月16日那天就跑到gamesale板逛逛,隨意問了幾個賣家都賣完了,甚至是剛發表的,突然覺得有股「onlytfgsu」之味,於是特地問了好幾個賣家是不是賣給「onlytfgsu」,答案如我說想的一樣。
當天我就在gamesale板上發了一篇舉發他的文章請大家注意,onlytfgsu甚至在下方留言回應:「唉 有這麼好賺就好了」,甚至還跑到八卦板去嘲諷我這篇文章。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gamesale/M.1487206915.A.211.html
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1487209758-a-d58
總而言之,我覺得gamesale板板主相當積極地就在隔天頒佈滿嚴格的新規定,禁止了這些遊戲序號的轉售,防不勝防,因為onlytfgsu仍然可以私信徵收這些遊戲,但至少這次有讓gamesale板不少人注意到這號人物。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gamesale/M.1487336471.A.781.html
突然onlytfgsu覺得其實也可以在steam板上搞九折代購,當個「好心人」幫板友,讓板友有機會發表對你代購辛苦的感謝,另一方面又因為板友比較理解九折代購,比蝦皮來得快兌現,一箭雙鵰。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1485269343.A.DB9.html
這樣還不夠,因為如我上述所說,Xcom2有鎖區賣得不好,反正賣其他遊戲早就回本了,乾脆來辦個抽獎,順便對於自己買amazon禮品卡的事情表示道歉?那低價收購轉賣營利的部份則是表示「說過了 沒有出售 沒有營利」.....。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1487305487.A.1D9.html
為什麼我還要貼一個重複文章的備份版,抽獎文發表前幾十分鐘出現太多「噓」讓onlytfgsu編輯新增一個列舉本篇噓過的鄉民排除抽獎的名單,說是以保障推文鄉民的權利?然後又再結束後刪掉這個排除抽獎的名單。大家就能很明顯感受到他不是誠意道歉接受指教的,而只是為了取得大家的迎合推崇,好讓他繼續做同樣的事情。
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uEDJmIZYCtYJ:https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1487305487.A.1D9.html+&cd=1&hl=zh-TW&ct=clnk&gl=tw
果不期然,隨著三月份的月包到來,戰錘全面戰爭以及其他新的顯示卡活動序號便是新的營利商品,250收、300收,反正一定賺,在steam板上隨便徵收價格都便宜阿,太好賺了,還是忍不住發徵文了。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1487434648.A.95D.html
阿對了,我是不覺得他因為說出「:我是買家 所以最怕被你們這些噴子噴阿 屌絲怕怕」這樣負面用語會多怕被板友告還水桶什麼的,因為他做人坦當當,為所當為。
部分他的交易記錄:
https://mall.shopee.tw/buyer/3107330/rating/#tab=shop
https://www.g2a.com/user/reynardsu
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我來替大家做個onlytfgsu懶人包吧,我算是舉發這個事情的前端,所以我想也乾脆來做個總結,讓大家釐清始末,因為很多文都被更動刪除太過麻煩,所以只好提供其他網站的備份頁面。
事實上,onlytfgsu不是唯一在ptt上的商人,但他已經可以算是奇特的一個轉賣商,明明大家都知道他在做什麼,他卻也一直坦當當的說自己沒做。利用ptt作為營利的跳板,還口口聲聲說沒營利,利用他的神鬼邏輯告訴大家:「你要我不收購,那大家都也都不要在這裡交易遊戲阿。」擺明我就算徵來賣,你們也奈何不了我,近期steam版的混亂也是來自於此。
onlytfgsu第一次在ptt上低價收購遊戲用來高價轉賣是從哪時開始,我並不清楚,目前最早可以追溯到的應該是2017年1月9日在gamesale板徵watch dogs 2 uplay版700元,他當時是這樣說的:「跟朋友玩 想多收幾組 價錢可議」
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1483906034-a-e48
然後你就看到他的蝦皮賣場上出現了一件相同的商品,售價1000元。
https://shopee.tw/reynardsu
到2017年1月22日開始在gamesale板徵hitman,一份310元,這是一個顯示卡贈送活動從去年11月到今年2月22日,所以他收到非常多份(我不確定數量,但50份以上絕對有。)
為什麼敢收這麼多份,因為真的很好賣,我算給你看,Hitman完全版在steam商店售價1790元,如果你賣五折,895元,至少賺兩倍以上。誰願意花這麼多錢買?因為steam價格分區關係,國外購買這款遊戲會比台灣來得貴上很多,對於他們來說,非常願意付這個價錢。
https://www.g2a.com/hitman-steam-cd-key-global-1.html
那他怎麼開始接觸到這些的,一開始賣一些一美元的Humble包,逐漸地發現到PTT上的steam板交易區和Gamesale板有太多便宜的序號可以大量收購。onlytfgsu賺得越來越多,就越來越大膽,甚至直接就在steam板上標出他期望收到的高額數量,這種事情就連過去任何在ptt上的商人都是沒史無前例的。
http://www.ucptt.com/article/Steam/1485269343/DB9
http://www.ucptt.com/article/Steam/1485531188/A14
要不是因為他在steam板上收這麼大的數量,說真的我根本不知道這號人物。
他在國外商場上吃了一點小虧(其實根本不虧),他不知道Humble月包的Xcom2有鎖區,有些外國人是無法直接啟動的,所以他沒怎麼賣出,但是他沒差,他靠著Hitman和不知為何老外如此熱愛的Rust賺滿他的荷包了,我隨便算一下好了,他賣了29組Hitman,一組賺500元,一共是14500元台幣,當然這些只是他收到的一小部分數量而已哦。所以你為什麼可以看到他最早收rust一份70元可以漲到150元,因為就好賺阿,阿所以「Clinkz」你當初說大家便宜賣是什麼鳥價的話,你覺得onlytfgsu出多少才合理阿?
1月28日我和板主舉發並發文後,onlytfgsu表示「沒有獲利行為 哪有營利的狀況?」、「碰觸到大家內心敏感的那一面很抱歉我以後只徵要自用自己玩 自己研究的遊戲再次鄭重道歉。」,而板主制定以後不准徵超過10件以上的遊戲,根本是毫無抵制,重點不在於數量,而是徵收的目的。patrick339說他徵200份rust是用來弄啥伺服器用的,我是聽不懂啦,我也不知道到底真相是如何。
http://www.ucptt.com/article/Steam/1485575751/8FD
然後onlytfgsu就辦了新年抽獎,把他賣出剩餘的組包內的遊戲好幾組送給大家。
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1485688255-a-b1e
抽獎結束隔天,知道steam板這邊不這麼方便徵了,但轉賣生意還是要繼續做,就跑到gamesale板日常徵收hitman序號,提高價格為310元。
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1485713160-a-e42
陸陸續續地徵hitman,好賺阿,提高價格為350元。
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1486065471-a-ef5
忘記說,這過程中都還沒有算入他仍然繼續在steam板交易區大量繼續徵收其他遊戲喔。
重點來了,他在國外商場賺的錢是外幣阿,必須要兌換台幣才能花阿,怎麼做?很簡單,付商場手續費,不要的話,你還可以拿這些錢買steam錢包序號,拿來賣給大家總可以兌換台幣吧,所以他在2月3日時發文:「自己存了一張 可儲值1556元 在美國亞馬遜買禮物卡的時候多按了一個位數 付款時才發現 不需要這麼多錢放在STEAM 故求售 我不是商家 沒有其他面額可選擇 謝謝各位」
阿不小心地就被版友rwhung和fly0204抓到把柄:Amazon從來沒賣過Steam錢包虛擬序號,所以你是跑到哪裡買去了?這件事情就這樣草草結束了,誰也沒想到蝦皮只是他兌換台幣的其中一個管道,利用賺來的外幣買遊戲再一次在國內轉賣再賺一筆。https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1486079875-a-a54
另外如果我有說錯的話,還是請onlytfgsu不要只會刪文,應該把amazon買太多沒退款的禮品卡結帳記錄展示給大家看一下,還是說拍一下你買的這麼多張的實體卡,來證明你是正確的?而我認為你是從這樣的地方買來的steam錢包的。
https://www.g2a.com/steam-gift-card-50-usd-cd-key-global.html
ptt的Steam板這邊無法讓他兌現,就跑到蝦皮搞九折代購來兌現,順便賺評價。但九折代購其實在網拍上不怎麼熱門,沒多少人知道這個好物。
不過從這天開始之後他不再到gamesale發徵文,而是低調地一直徵收板上幾乎所有出售的hitman序號,這樣做還可以控制價格,當時徵文都是300元,比他先前收350還便宜阿。
我忘記我是怎麼注意到的,好像是SemiAuto介紹Hitman多好玩,300元買到超便宜這樣,2月16日那天就跑到gamesale板逛逛,隨意問了幾個賣家都賣完了,甚至是剛發表的,突然覺得有股「onlytfgsu」之味,於是特地問了好幾個賣家是不是賣給「onlytfgsu」,答案如我說想的一樣。
當天我就在gamesale板上發了一篇舉發他的文章請大家注意,onlytfgsu甚至在下方留言回應:「唉 有這麼好賺就好了」,甚至還跑到八卦板去嘲諷我這篇文章。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gamesale/M.1487206915.A.211.html
https://pttweb.tw/thread/m-1487209758-a-d58
總而言之,我覺得gamesale板板主相當積極地就在隔天頒佈滿嚴格的新規定,禁止了這些遊戲序號的轉售,防不勝防,因為onlytfgsu仍然可以私信徵收這些遊戲,但至少這次有讓gamesale板不少人注意到這號人物。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gamesale/M.1487336471.A.781.html
突然onlytfgsu覺得其實也可以在steam板上搞九折代購,當個「好心人」幫板友,讓板友有機會發表對你代購辛苦的感謝,另一方面又因為板友比較理解九折代購,比蝦皮來得快兌現,一箭雙鵰。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1485269343.A.DB9.html
這樣還不夠,因為如我上述所說,Xcom2有鎖區賣得不好,反正賣其他遊戲早就回本了,乾脆來辦個抽獎,順便對於自己買amazon禮品卡的事情表示道歉?那低價收購轉賣營利的部份則是表示「說過了 沒有出售 沒有營利」.....。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1487305487.A.1D9.html
為什麼我還要貼一個重複文章的備份版,抽獎文發表前幾十分鐘出現太多「噓」讓onlytfgsu編輯新增一個列舉本篇噓過的鄉民排除抽獎的名單,說是以保障推文鄉民的權利?然後又再結束後刪掉這個排除抽獎的名單。大家就能很明顯感受到他不是誠意道歉接受指教的,而只是為了取得大家的迎合推崇,好讓他繼續做同樣的事情。
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uEDJmIZYCtYJ:https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1487305487.A.1D9.html+&cd=1&hl=zh-TW&ct=clnk&gl=tw
果不期然,隨著三月份的月包到來,戰錘全面戰爭以及其他新的顯示卡活動序號便是新的營利商品,250收、300收,反正一定賺,在steam板上隨便徵收價格都便宜阿,太好賺了,還是忍不住發徵文了。
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Steam/M.1487434648.A.95D.html
阿對了,我是不覺得他因為說出「:我是買家 所以最怕被你們這些噴子噴阿 屌絲怕怕」這樣負面用語會多怕被板友告還水桶什麼的,因為他做人坦當當,為所當為。
部分他的交易記錄:
https://mall.shopee.tw/buyer/3107330/rating/#tab=shop
https://www.g2a.com/user/reynardsu
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