Reddit-談談大家對希瓦娜斯的誤解 - WOW
By Rosalind
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原文網址:https://goo.gl/n6M3Gq
在看了許多人的文後,許多玩家似乎很吃薩魯法爾「榮譽大於一切」那一套。
他們以為部落大酋長希瓦娜斯必須也要認同這樣的價值才是一個好的故事。
但在我看來,這樣的想法有很大的問題。
被遺忘者從一開始就不是部落裡追求「榮譽」的一員,
只有獸人和牛頭人才把榮譽看得那麼重。
希瓦娜斯從魔獸爭霸3就已經是個冷酷無情、善於暗算的角色,
本來就和榮譽扯不上邊。
例如,在她脫離阿薩斯的掌控後,她引誘阿薩斯一步步踏入她的陷阱,
暗算突襲並毒殺阿薩斯。
她說服大元帥加里瑟斯(Garithos)加入收復羅德隆的行列,
最後卻毀約殺了他。
她假裝加入恐懼魔王的行列,最後讓恐懼魔王自相殘殺。
她同時也是在破碎海岸發令撤退,拋下聯盟的人。
如果當初救起沃金的人是薩魯法爾,
可以想像他不會做出「撤退」這種不榮譽的決定,
而是帶著部落大軍光榮赴死。
(編輯:這純粹是我個人的看法,完全有討論的空間,
因為當時就是沃金他自己下令撤退。
不論薩魯法爾他個人的信念如何,當時的他確實很有可能服從命令撤退
但,假設他是大酋長好了,他會下令撤退嗎?)
薩魯法爾和希瓦娜斯最後的對話更能看出他們之間的差異。
薩魯法爾指控希瓦娜斯毫無榮譽可言
而希瓦娜斯則認為除非活下來,否則榮譽沒有任何意義。
那句「對我而言,延續部落才是最重要的」
正顯示了這個故事線是多麼的爭議。
她會不顧一切帶領部落贏得勝利
這也正是她身為大酋長的職責
而她也會如同以往一般:無情、惡毒的完成她的使命。
她並不是傳統的英雄人物,相反的,她可以算是一個反派角色,
但她又不是那種壞到骨子裡的王八蛋,對她而言,
這一系列的行動都是為了要確保部落未來的優勢。
「我們為和平付出過代價,遺忘了讓我們堅強的理由。」
過去那種講求榮譽對決以及維持部落聯盟間的僵局現狀已經不再符合部落的利益
現在的部落是被遺忘者當家,因此部落的核心價值也有所轉變:
從「榮譽大於一切」轉為「不計代價的勝利」。
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在看了許多人的文後,許多玩家似乎很吃薩魯法爾「榮譽大於一切」那一套。
他們以為部落大酋長希瓦娜斯必須也要認同這樣的價值才是一個好的故事。
但在我看來,這樣的想法有很大的問題。
被遺忘者從一開始就不是部落裡追求「榮譽」的一員,
只有獸人和牛頭人才把榮譽看得那麼重。
希瓦娜斯從魔獸爭霸3就已經是個冷酷無情、善於暗算的角色,
本來就和榮譽扯不上邊。
例如,在她脫離阿薩斯的掌控後,她引誘阿薩斯一步步踏入她的陷阱,
暗算突襲並毒殺阿薩斯。
她說服大元帥加里瑟斯(Garithos)加入收復羅德隆的行列,
最後卻毀約殺了他。
她假裝加入恐懼魔王的行列,最後讓恐懼魔王自相殘殺。
她同時也是在破碎海岸發令撤退,拋下聯盟的人。
如果當初救起沃金的人是薩魯法爾,
可以想像他不會做出「撤退」這種不榮譽的決定,
而是帶著部落大軍光榮赴死。
(編輯:這純粹是我個人的看法,完全有討論的空間,
因為當時就是沃金他自己下令撤退。
不論薩魯法爾他個人的信念如何,當時的他確實很有可能服從命令撤退
但,假設他是大酋長好了,他會下令撤退嗎?)
薩魯法爾和希瓦娜斯最後的對話更能看出他們之間的差異。
薩魯法爾指控希瓦娜斯毫無榮譽可言
而希瓦娜斯則認為除非活下來,否則榮譽沒有任何意義。
那句「對我而言,延續部落才是最重要的」
正顯示了這個故事線是多麼的爭議。
她會不顧一切帶領部落贏得勝利
這也正是她身為大酋長的職責
而她也會如同以往一般:無情、惡毒的完成她的使命。
她並不是傳統的英雄人物,相反的,她可以算是一個反派角色,
但她又不是那種壞到骨子裡的王八蛋,對她而言,
這一系列的行動都是為了要確保部落未來的優勢。
「我們為和平付出過代價,遺忘了讓我們堅強的理由。」
過去那種講求榮譽對決以及維持部落聯盟間的僵局現狀已經不再符合部落的利益
現在的部落是被遺忘者當家,因此部落的核心價值也有所轉變:
從「榮譽大於一切」轉為「不計代價的勝利」。
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