PS最新改的 FPP換現金 - 撲克牌

oh well,

這是我寄給ps的信, 要求他們解釋她們的ToC (terms and conditions)

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From: [email protected]
Sent: 2010/10/05 14:39:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: terms and condition question

hi,

my friend was telling me that it's perfectly fine to flip as long as
players agree upon themselves and if it doesn't affect game flow. But you guys
also said that it's not allowed to have 2 or more players flip in a FR game
because it affect the smoothness of the game for other players. Those I
understand and it makes sense.

However, I have a serious question, because, me and few of my friends are
feeling like gambling some of our money among ourselves (xmas is on the
way and we are doing some life prop betting). I'd assume, based on the wording
of your explanation of the ToC, if all 6 of us agree to flip on multitable
tables in a 6max game, it'd be 100% legal and not against the ToC right?
We're not chip dumping, colluding or cheating in any way and PS shouldn't
have any right to prohibit us from donating our rakes to the system right?
We really just want to flip small amount of money among ourselves and
don't care about the rake we pay to the system.

please answer my serious question. thank you.

Terry


她們的回答:

Hello Yun-Hsiang,

Thank you for your email.

Please be aware that the new policy will only apply to all multi-table
heads-up Sit & Go tournaments. Not to regular SNGs or cash tables. This means
that the scenario you present to us will not breach out TOS.

I will like to take advantage of this opportunity to give you a little more
insight of our new policy.

A number of players have complained about certain players who sometimes work
as a group. These players will 'flip' (that is, go all-in on the first
hand)if they get paired together in the first round. If they are paired
against a player who is not in their group then they play the match out
normally. While this is not collusion, such players do gain some advantage in
multi-table heads-up SnG tournaments. This is because when they are paired
together, they have the ability to scout out how their next opponent will
play, but the opponent has no way to gain any information on their own play.

We have decided that the advantage these players gain by acting in this way
is unfair and going forward will be enforcing the following policy: "All
players are obliged to play out their HU matches, except for the final of any
event, in a normal way without 'flipping', regardless of who their opponent
is. Players are not permitted to engage in any form of prize-split or
equity-sharing with any opponent in a tournament comprised of HU
matches,except for their final opponent."Deal-making is still permitted in
the final of any HU tournament.

Note that PokerStars does not take any responsibility whatsoever for deals
made without a Support Agent at the table, so you should call Support if you
wish to make a deal and do not know your opponent personally. We will take
action whenever we find any players flipping or profit-sharing in preliminary
rounds of multi-table heads-up Sit & Go Tournaments. Our first action will be
to prevent the offending players from playing together. As some players may
not be aware of the new policy, we may remove this restriction if the
offending players agree to abide by it in future events. However, for
subsequent offences we may take stronger action ranging from disqualification
from the tournament (with partial or full forfeiture of winnings), to barring
from PokerStars.

As always, we welcome feedback on our policies. If you have any questions or
comments, please email us at.

Regards,

so...我們這個行為沒有違規
想衝的人可以繼續了

※ 引述《KLgeo (Holdem)》之銘言：
: 其實應該不用急...
: PS應該會有反制的動作...
: 我剛算了一下 只要底氣足
: 用24桌去推年底前要推到3SNE根本就是輕輕鬆鬆
: 一個人推到3SNE PS大概要賠掉10幾萬.....
: 假如幾百幾千個pro都來這樣搞 ps不就要跳樓了 囧...
: 我猜可能之後他會宣布一些規定來限制
: 例如:一次只能玩一桌這種特殊加乘的桌來限制你的速度吧...
: ※ 引述《kongulee (賣FTP點數 )》之銘言：
: : 我來算一下從0開始衝 大概要準備多少的BR才夠
: : 洗到第一個sn 先要準備8333塊的rake被抽走
: : 到這之前只有一點點的stellar eward可以補
: : 到1sn共換回2000的bonus 此時BR是-6333
: : -8333應該是0~1sn間的最低值
: : 1sn之後
: : 下一個bonus是250000FPP換4000 還差55644 FPP=15898 VPP=1325塊rake
: : -6333-1325=-7658 之後補回4000 為-3658
: : 下一個bonus還是250000FPP 需要再補5952塊 rake
: : -3658-5952=-9610 補回4000 為-5610
: : -9610應該是1~2sn間的最低值
: : 下一個bonus是2sn的milestone 3400
: : 到達2sn時 花費為-8333*2+2000+4000+4000+3400=-3377
: : 到這邊應該已經度過了最難的關卡 後面就不算了
: : 所以加上狂推NL2的swing BR應該要準備10000以上
: : 當然如果現在已經是sn以上的 就更輕鬆啦 因為可以更快的達到milestone
: : 附上用excel畫出來的模擬圖
: : http://0rz.tw/Qffqk
: : 9sn跟10sn並沒有milestone可以換
: : 或許PS其實有考慮到!
: : 整個曲線只能在8sn附近短暫獲利
: : 之後就要一口氣到SNE 靠他的獎品來補

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