Polygon關於Tlous2媒體爭議的文章 - PS

Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2020-07-01T15:17

Table of Contents


https://reurl.cc/nz35Nv

節錄一部分

前面是在講嚴格準則到底有多嚴格,
評論"準則"不能包含任何關鍵劇情敘述跟任何特別場面,
也不能任何透漏任何角色命運,這讓網站很難有所評論。

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqnxy/last-of-us-part-2-review
vice在這篇評論中表示有些讓人難忘的場面,
但也有造成了他們對角色以及故事的興趣減少的部份,
所有人對於復仇的都像是被強迫推進的,敘事風格充滿了壓抑的淒涼與暴力。

然後就被頑皮狗給海巡到了,
覺得他們的評論不公平而且下了指導棋,
他們說雖然對話過程不是有對抗性的,但這種事情是非常不尋常的。

目前頑皮狗公關對這不表示回應。


心得:ign jp果然真大哥


Discussion about the survival horror game was also hampered by unusually
restrictive embargo guidelines, which included sentences like “DO NOT
include any beat-by-beat descriptions of pivotal narrative or cutscenes
moments” and “DO NOT reveal the fate of ANY character or the inciting event.
” This prevented websites from discussing any specifics of the game’s
story, which was tricky considering that the game reveals something
surprising within its first two hours that impacts the remainder of its 20-
to 30-hour journey. Curiously, at least one website, GameSpot, actually
published two reviews, one without spoilers and one that dove right into
those details. The latter was published after the embargo was fully lifted.

Why go through such lengths, especially when the internet was flooded with
half-informed takes and speculation based on what had already leaked?
Control. Naughty Dog no longer steered the narrative of The Last of Us Part
2, and this was one way to try and regain control. The studio had already
gone to great efforts to maintain a tight grip on what folks knew about the
experience. As Kotaku reported, Naughty Dog at one point showed a fake scene
during a trailer to make people believe that a character would be more
present in the game than they actually were.

The vibe around the game hasn’t gotten much better since then. On June 12,
Vice published its review of The Last of Us Part 2, in which critic Rob Zacny
said that while the game had “memorable moments” that made for great “
spectacle,” he was less taken with the story and characters. “Nobody ever
reconsiders their quest for vengeance,” Zacny wrote. “Everyone acts under a
kind of vindictive compulsion that goes little remarked and unexamined.”
Zacny went on to describe the game’s message as complacent, full of “
oppressive bleakness and violence.”

While the vast majority of reviews have lavished The Last of Us Part 2 with
all sorts of praise, a handful of outlets — Polygon included — have been
slightly more critical of the blockbuster game. According to Zacny, Vice’s
review prompted a Sony representative to reach out on behalf of Naughty Dog.

“They felt some of the conclusions I reached in my review were unfair and
dismissed some meaningful changes or improvements,” Zacny told Polygon over
Twitter messages.


Zacny clarified that the exchange wasn’t “confrontational,” but that it
was nonetheless “unusual,” as the site doesn’t typically have big
publishers asking in an official capacity why a review reads the way it does.
Such things can happen, of course, though often with smaller developers, or
from publishers who have spotted a factual error in a piece that they want
corrected.

“I was happy to unpack a bit of my reasoning, however, and received a
perfectly cordial message in response,” Zacny said. Naughty Dog’s PR team
declined to comment on Polygon’s inquiry about its exchange with Vice.

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Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2020-07-04T13:07
現在看勢頭不對才想切割停損了嗎
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2020-07-06T02:31
雖然早知道一定有摸頭 但終於有媒體敢出來證明了是吧
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2020-07-07T07:43
這家不是本來就是少數說實話的
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2020-07-10T23:11
不能透漏 = 打最高分 低能邏輯 低能媒體
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2020-07-11T02:47
sjw式評論,我准你寫的才能寫
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2020-07-13T20:04
這樣看來IGN日本根本不甩頑皮狗給的限制耶
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2020-07-14T22:22
以續作而言的劇情問題都寫出來了
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2020-07-18T08:11
所以頑皮狗還可以指導評測該怎麽寫阿XD
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2020-07-22T14:10
笨蛋都看得出來有摸頭,承不承認而已,索皇的上意就是
不准談劇情,所以媒體的10/10就是指劇情以外的部分。
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2020-07-22T21:47
分數順便要求只能打10分吧
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2020-07-24T09:31
我看過沒問題才能評分
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2020-07-26T22:34
這家不是氣到沒打分嗎? 還是我記錯家
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2020-07-30T10:56
這樣連給的分數都能指導我看也不意外
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2020-08-04T07:22
日本不是很吃歐美遊戲那套 所以沒再怕的
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2020-08-09T00:38
再怎樣的歐美神作在日本都贏不了日本遊戲
也許是這樣 所以敢放出不同聲音吧 猜猜看而已...
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2020-08-12T08:25
我覺得數字應該要在再加10才可以評論
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2020-08-15T08:28
到底實際狀況如何 沒人會知道 也沒人會承認
等10年後再看看有沒有八卦吧
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2020-08-16T11:07
所以不能評論關鍵劇情還能打分數?
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2020-08-21T03:28
IGN JP就背後夠大啊 還有SIE在日本的話語權沒以前大了
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2020-08-22T18:44
這就是話語霸權啦 !
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2020-08-24T18:59
IGN JP後面的大咖是哪家啊?
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2020-08-29T03:19
我記得不只一間媒體表示過IGN JP的評測沒被擋下來很意外
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2020-08-30T09:32
日本感覺是翻譯的時間差 還在開會討論評翻譯發給誰XD
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2020-09-03T10:40
說是評測內容明顯超越NDA限制的範圍了
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2020-09-08T00:33
怎麼那麼多歡樂的新聞XD
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2020-09-08T23:14
真有趣
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2020-09-09T08:11
後面就產經阿 還是比較偏右的媒體
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2020-09-11T23:41
這是媒體自己沒扛住遊戲開發商壓力阿,媒體自己串連抵制
抗議吧,不然都已經洩漏劇情了還護航10/10,事後又被證
實被唾棄
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2020-09-14T18:31
不知道國內媒體有沒有被施壓 要不要出來說明一下啊
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2020-09-19T18:02
他們會說沒施壓..但我看八成有利誘
也不需要用金錢...關係良好就是一種利誘
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2020-09-23T09:48
完了 又一家媒體不能搶先試玩sony新遊戲了
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2020-09-27T00:37
IGNjp站著把錢掙了
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2020-09-30T04:24
國內馬都接近自媒體的小媒體 光是不給你提前試玩就夠重
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2020-10-05T03:49
我只知道以後別傻傻衝首發,看看評價再買
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2020-10-07T11:22
看看巴哈連一篇炎上新聞都不敢
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2020-10-09T05:17
7/10
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2020-10-13T06:23
這家沒打分,明哲保身
Lauren avatar
By Lauren
at 2020-10-16T13:40
不知道豪哥說要說明為何二代大於一代的解說何時出來
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2020-10-21T06:47
明明就已經講的很客氣了
IGN JP感覺是絞盡腦汁用字評論了
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2020-10-26T05:44
當時看其他間給的評語才是失公允
像產生器一樣的文章
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2020-10-29T08:22
這篇我覺得也是很客氣
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2020-10-29T15:52
願意切割停損至少還能還原一部分真相
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2020-10-30T02:39
其實也不算切割 Polygon跟Vice這兩家都是不打分的
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2020-11-03T23:20
其實IGN JP評的還算客氣了 就是打分7分比較特殊
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2020-11-06T11:11
去看VICE和POLYGON的評測文其實內容說的更狠
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2020-11-08T06:59
6月12的副標直接嗆Did you know murder is wrong?
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2020-11-11T21:14
頑皮狗好大的官威啊
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2020-11-16T19:39
https://tinyurl.com/y96llb6m 這篇評的超級嗆的
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2020-11-21T13:04
被VICE和POLYGON這種左到不行的罵真的很有趣
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2020-11-22T05:40
頑皮狗要不要在中國設總部?
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2020-11-25T11:46
那篇也有提到狂教育你復仇 殺人BAD 又不給你不殺的選擇
這東西很多玩家也有抱怨
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2020-11-30T07:27
萊主播跟巴哈豪哥被摸頭還有人要出來喊冤的嗎?
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2020-12-02T21:23
哇塞,難怪每一篇都長得一樣,原來是寫不該寫的會被
關切
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2020-12-04T18:39
頑皮狗是不是業界最大尾啊
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2020-12-07T22:20
頑皮狗+索尼 不是最大也是前幾大尾了
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2020-12-10T13:49
頑皮狗近年來聲望最高的工作室之一
索尼不用說了吧....
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2020-12-14T17:58
polygon那篇的總結,我們沒有頑皮狗想的那麼白痴
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2020-12-19T02:24
利誘威脅我覺得都OK 但是給10分太扯 給個9分8分不行嗎
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2020-12-23T22:52
第一家給10分 你給8 9分 不給我索尼面子???
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2020-12-24T22:26
不但要給10分 還是 奇蹟 世出不二 藝術品好嗎
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2020-12-27T13:32
Gamespot應該也被摸頭但腦子正常只敢給8分 給10分的太扯
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2020-12-29T02:38
RDR2都沒被捧成這樣吧?
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2020-12-31T03:30
"給這世代最好的傑作" 那篇作文還在板上XDD
安囧你要是被施壓就加個藏頭吧
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2021-01-02T01:46
好不好玩 本來就是主觀 但是這些人評高分的還會嗆別人
不懂 雲玩家 只會酸SJW 這才是大部人反感的原因
Robert avatar
By Robert
at 2021-01-03T16:41
以分數來說rdr2媒體捧更兇才是 rdr2 97分 w
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2021-01-05T12:34
尤其是IGN USA那幾個噁心的傢伙 以後再也不看IGN
James avatar
By James
at 2021-01-07T07:10
RDR2有被說是這世代最好的傑作嗎XD
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2021-01-09T12:11
就算是只評劇情外的東西,一堆10分的也是很豪洨,你搞個9
分或9.5分還比較像是認真評的
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2021-01-12T10:40
RDR2有被說過譽就是了 但沒被罵翻
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2021-01-15T10:27
畢竟meta玩家評論還是有到8分
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-01-18T21:27
一大推10分真的很扯 能接受劇情也不值得十分
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2021-01-23T05:35
這種就是媒體跟資本家互捧 共同享受利益的模式
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2021-01-24T02:48
rdr2好像被說成是下世代該有的表現了XD 比分數的話 最
近和最後2最接近的應該是動森吧 媒體9x 玩家5左右
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2021-01-26T17:50
動森是玩家捧紅的 最後2是被媒體吹上天的
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2021-01-29T18:23
避開那些原則還是可以說真話阿,10/10是?
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2021-02-03T10:28
動森玩瘋的人跟Line群可多到數不清了
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2021-02-05T20:30
有個推特還把TLOU2評為遊戲界的辛德勒名單XD
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2021-02-09T10:11
rdr2至少沒犯什麼大錯,而且畫面真的棒,但就節奏慢了些
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2021-02-10T20:42
RDR2畫面棒 但動作跟遊戲性就滿糟的吧
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2021-02-11T16:15
決定2077到時候看polygon跟ign jp 還有玩家評價 雖然
已經在巴哈預購了www
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2021-02-11T23:21
RDR2被譽為下個世代的遊戲,絕不為過。BUT,他有嚴重的問題
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2021-02-13T13:57
動森賣2千萬有了吧
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2021-02-14T04:41
讓一款300分遊戲,硬是減了221分,只剩79。
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2021-02-14T10:14
動森玩家評分炸是因為不能一機多島被罵貪錢 這跟遊戲內容
可無關啊
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2021-02-18T03:40
國內媒體怎麼可能沒被摸頭?光是每次有炎上事件巴哈
都跑前面,這次安靜的跟什麼一樣
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2021-02-18T12:23
我就問你還想不想要ps5的一手消息 (X
Una avatar
By Una
at 2021-02-22T16:43
巴哈沒被摸頭 笑死
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2021-02-25T02:12
動森有紀錄的是1177萬(目前) 離兩千還有點遠...
現在官方有確定破2000的 只有那個冷飯八代
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2021-02-25T06:26
我看已經變成哈巴狗了
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2021-02-27T09:25
c5取4,作文8股
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2021-03-01T06:21
“I was happy to unpack a bit of my reasoning, how
ever, and received a perfectly cordial message in
response,” Zacny said.
要不要把這句翻譯出來看看?
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2021-03-02T18:44
斷章取義的最高境界XD
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2021-03-07T03:35
要翻譯就整個翻譯完整。這樣斷章取義很不道德
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2021-03-10T00:00
動森四月底官方就宣佈破1341萬了現在都七月初了
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2021-03-14T22:34
jp 後面大哥產經新聞,右派大報社
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2021-03-15T12:34
產經是跟左派朝日新聞打對台根本不吃左膠嘴臉
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2021-03-19T18:10
沒關係財報快出了 財報應該會有最新數字XD
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2021-03-20T08:43
再來頑皮狗看要不要跟騰訊還是網易入股吧
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-03-24T09:59
作風這麼紅很對中國人胃口的www
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2021-03-25T02:47
這些媒體跟法米通有什麼兩樣www
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2021-03-28T05:47
以後不能笑法米通了
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2021-03-30T10:34
讚,「筆者把他的想法回應給Sony 之後收到了很親切的
回應。」這句話顯然一點也不重要。
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2021-04-03T11:00
想想Neil也算是功德一件,一款遊戲曝露產業醜態
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2021-04-07T12:56
獵巫嘛。當然吧不利於說法的部分都當作不存在
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2021-04-11T05:13
親切的回應 我會笑死
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2021-04-15T05:52
不管回應多親切,摸頭的舉動還是沒變www
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2021-04-16T03:03
那個however 擺明是在酸吧= =
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2021-04-20T21:23
那句意思就是得到禮貌的幹話啦 想拿來逆轉喔
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2021-04-22T01:35
那句的意思超酸的 簡單來說就是頑皮狗想干擾評分這件事回
報索尼 索尼只回了葛朕知道的 就沒有然後了
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2021-04-23T20:16
那句話擺明就是諷刺啊XDD 收到精美親切罐頭回覆的意思
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2021-04-25T17:52
笑死,最後還不是滿分神作,委屈個屁
Una avatar
By Una
at 2021-04-26T07:36
瞧不起我們海巡喔,小心下次被做進梗圖裡面
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2021-04-29T18:18
所以親切的摸頭是有利的?
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2021-04-30T14:56
大同公司派就是從這裡得到靈感的嗎 把不利於自己的東
西通通剃除
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2021-05-02T06:25
笑死 出現看不懂的再護航呵 果然是人類聖經
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2021-05-03T15:00
頑皮狗怎跟騰訊合作,最後2被很多中國人噴為糞做好嗎
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2021-05-06T13:32
跟中資合作應該會變成家庭遊戲 受眾擴大 血會變透明
的 角色都不能染頭髮不能穿耳洞抽大麻
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2021-05-10T13:00
中資合作的話應該都殺不死人吧?會變成放好掉落物回頭
跟你說881下線當作死亡
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By Barb Cronin
at 2021-05-14T07:57
中國前陣子才鬧了個大聖歸來,收買媒體寫手三流生
還者可不是第一個www
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2021-05-17T07:27
RDR2有拿白金了,是真的很好玩啊,白金照一定要在亞瑟
墓前拿
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2021-05-19T07:27
亞瑟掛掉劇情鋪程比喬爾好太多了
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2021-05-22T11:04
講到RDR2白金 我就想到我一直打不到卡羅萊納長尾鸚鵡卡關
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2021-05-24T15:24
RDR2劇情好太多了印地安人際遇那種揪心亞瑟的贖罪之旅都
很感人
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2021-05-25T05:09
RDR2白金+1,查了下卡羅萊納長尾鸚鵡好像跟瓜馬島不計入獎盃
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By Freda
at 2021-05-30T02:34
不過圖鑑100%是真的很有成就XD
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By Zanna
at 2021-06-01T23:18
10/10

魔物獵人世界 每天登入送珠子

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By Margaret
at 2020-07-01T10:53
https://twitter.com/MH_official_JP/status/1278146568760094720 https://imgur.com/oZblNMW 紀念煌黑龍終於解除隔離,從7月3日送到7月11日 差不多每兩天送一顆不同的珠子,要記得領 -- → kawazakiz2: 而且 ...

The show 19 問題

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By Tristan Cohan
at 2020-07-01T10:46
1.想請問normal swing的收棒是隨機的嗎? 有時候揮棒timing是good 擊球點也是在球的進壘點 結果在緊要關頭給我收棒 = = 氣死 2.RTTS模式下 打擊揮空或是界外球之後(尚未出局) 旁邊小k-zone看得到揮棒結果 揮棒timing跟擊球點 如果打了飛球出局或被三振就看不到這個揮 ...

卡普空目前正計畫開發面向國高中生的MH

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By Margaret
at 2020-07-01T09:29
※ [本文轉錄自 MH 看板 #1U--RTmu ] 作者: kawazakiz2 (輪蛇) 看板: MH 標題: [情報] 卡普空目前正計畫開發面向國高中生的MH 時間: Wed Jul 1 09:28:58 2020 卡普空「目前正計畫開發面向國高中生的《魔物獵人》系列遊戲」 卡普空於6月17日召 ...

Playstation 20%回饋

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By Erin
at 2020-07-01T09:28
如題 雖然玉山U BEAR整體回饋縮水了 不過新一期的活動 原本電影20%改為Playstation 20%回饋了 上限200元 當期回饋 http://i.imgur.com/piLSasY.jpg 國外還在疫情期間根本比電影回饋還好用 到2月前每月都可以買新片惹!!!! ----- Sen ...

Re: 最後生還者2破關小記(雷,文長)

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By Edward Lewis
at 2020-07-01T09:09
※ 引述《hyde83922 (虹飯一枚)》之銘言 : 【前言】 : 約莫5年前,在youtube看到一代的劇情影片 : 當時一部接一部,花兩三天啃完所有劇情 : 當下心裡便暗下決心,一定要親自玩過這款作品 : 不久後趁著百貨公司優惠 : 冒著被媽媽查發票的風險,終於敗了一台PS4 : 而最後生還者則是比主機 ...