MLB攻略文犯規者清單(修正篇) - PS

By Freda
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先聲明我是要理性討論,並解答以下板友的一些疑慮
推 mike1990:版主辛苦了 04/04 14:22
→ a78612blog:怎麼感覺看個文越來越麻煩= = 04/04 14:28
→ hegemon:對GMSniperII處以警告實在有點太輕.整篇推文不停的鞭屍 04/04 15:46
→ hegemon:看起來真的很煩 04/04 15:46
h 板友,如果您認為我是不停的鞭?
那表示您應該也看不少我先前發表及推的內容才是?
不過您看的似乎跟我原意有些出入?
那我等下下面有幾點就待您給我解答,希望您能對您所說的負責
推 yoyoyo916:對部落格廣告簡直是恨到不能再恨了XD 04/04 15:58
→ yakami:新增這條會不會太過頭? blog要是連了一些友站有廣告 04/04 16:34
→ yakami:這樣不是也被封殺掉? 要戰要鑽漏洞的人也就那幾個 04/04 16:36
→ yakami:全部封殺我認為有做過頭了 這是個人意見... 04/04 16:37
ya 板友這個就請您自行跟板主建議了,因為我有建議過不是全面封殺,
而是只有會讓貼文者賺錢的才算數,您的疑慮我早就有想過了
推 sunnei:我覺得版友們應該有判斷的能力吧~ 04/04 17:32
→ sunnei:無名blog也會內建廣告 但是大家都知道那個是無名搞的 04/04 17:32
→ yakami:正常人當然有判斷能力 但世界上無奇不有 腦O當然也有 04/04 17:41
→ yakami:哪天有人腦O拿這條版規來找人麻煩怎麼辦? 04/04 17:41
這個同上面我講的,我當時的建議就有分清楚內建廣告跟讓貼文者賺錢的差異,
所以希望我講過您就不要再誤以為我的訴求是全面封殺,因為整起事我早就講很清楚,
只是一直被人扭曲才會演變成這樣
推 tegomass:我也覺得警告太輕了,也不是第一次了,次次都來有夠煩 04/04 20:07
→ tegomass:很多人假借簽名檔放有廣告的blog也不見他一篇篇檢舉 04/04 20:08
又 t 板友,一篇篇檢舉不該是我或 namokid 或特定人的職責?
我之前有說過既然您剛好有看到別人廣告或有其他板眾有看到且會在意的話就該順便檢舉,
不是刻意硬要等特定的人來檢舉,然後別人沒檢舉到就怪罪於特定幾人,
您應該先搞清楚那個責任分工吧? 您拿這點一直講,我個人是真的覺得很無奈
況且您又知道我沒講過別人嗎? 我曾經跟某個 f 板友寫信好意提醒過他原文內含
Blog 廣告,我還請他看要不要修改掉,這個也都有保留信件證據喔,
如果您想看證據我可以私下寄給您看,但麻煩請不要再認為這是我們特定幾人職責,
(f 板友後來也真的馬上把網址改成無廣告的,至少人家會顧慮到別人觀感)
至於我現在讓您覺得我好像特別在意某人的廣告? 那是因為當初我們揭發的就是他,
既然都已經揭發他的手段,那我們會有後續的追蹤觀察是正常的,
況且就程度而言,他一個人弄出來的廣告騙術可是目前PSP板過往已知的案例所比不上的
而且執迷不悟的程度也是數一數二的,那個不須我講也有其他板友可以證實
→ ei:版規定義要不要寫清楚點比較好啊 廣告是指原作者會有收入的? 04/04 20:22
→ ei:不然有人喜歡在BLOG貼活動宣傳什麼的,這個算不算是廣告? 04/04 20:23
→ ei:或者在心得中推薦攻略網站時,也要先確認那些攻略站都沒廣告嗎? 04/04 20:25
我前面有解釋過我有建議過要分出差異,不再贅述
→ angusyu:唔喔喔喔!! 我活了... 04/04 20:53
推 yanunix:利用發攻略來吸引版友來看自己的blog,而blog又內嵌廣告 04/04 22:48
→ yanunix:這種手段真的很過份,賺錢要這樣賺嗎?? 04/04 22:48
→ yanunix:姑且不論版友是否自願點擊觀看,個人厭惡這種行徑.... 04/04 22:49
我也不喜歡這種行為
推 hegemon:如果不是強迫一定要點擊廣告才能看.這樣會很過分嗎? 04/04 23:03
→ hegemon:blog成立的目的就是吸引人進來看的.假設他沒有強迫一定要 04/04 23:05
→ hegemon:點才能看.何來過分之有?別人收集攻略放上來.你看得爽就點 04/04 23:05
→ hegemon:個連結讓他賺點錢.不爽拍拍屁股走人.這樣子也可以過度反應 04/04 23:06
→ hegemon:這樣子像yam,yahoo這種廣告也一堆.怎麼不見你們厭惡他們? 04/04 23:08
→ hegemon:這本來就是互相的問題.他今天為了衝人氣去收集攻略讓別人 04/04 23:10
→ hegemon:看.而我們也需要一個方便查攻略的地方.這樣子讓他賺點又如 04/04 23:12
→ hegemon:何?心胸開闊點..這樣以後錢才賺得多.斤斤計較這些很沒意義 04/04 23:14
→ ei:同意樓上 不爽讓他賺錢的話找其他攻略來看就好,鬧成這樣很誇張 04/04 23:23
→ ei:我也不滿他一開始那個BLOG廣告太多 所以我不會去那裡看攻略 04/04 23:25
→ ei:但既然他都貼文字版上來了 還管到連結後幾層有沒有廣告實在是.. 04/04 23:26
兩位同樣關心PSP板的板友,我想請教您們的是,
您們真的有仔細看過先前我寫的東西過嗎?
首先 h 板友說 "如果不是強迫一定要點擊廣告才能看.這樣會很過分嗎?"
那我們前面揭發那個人用 BlogAD 採曝光式計價的事都是假的囉?
如果您不清楚他手法,麻煩請您自行去找他寫的那篇介紹"曝光式"優點的網誌來看,
或者是親自上 BlogAD 網站去看計價方式,但麻煩請不要再把我沒講過的推給我,
您如未作好求證的部份就不該反而亂加諸別人給別人帶來困擾,
至少我沒有必要為了您的一時不察而去背負您亂加諸於我的東西,
我不希望為了您再重新解釋一次他的手法,以免又被說我跳針或又來了,
可是就是一直有狀況外的人誤導,才會讓我為了避免又一次被人誤解才又要再講,
並非我們愛講,而是希望如果您還不清楚整件事來龍去脈的話,就往前翻翻舊文,謝謝
不過還是稍微簡短提醒之前發生的事,
那個人先前的行為就是誘騙強制點擊,手段很多啦,包括縮址啦,或是原文章先不放網址,
稍後再重新編輯文章偷放回去等等,然後一點下去就是直接當成獎金下線了,
跟您自由意願要不要去點廣告banner是不一樣的東西 <= 如果是這個我根本不想理會
這個您分不清楚我也不知道該怎麼說了,反正我的話就是一再被人扭曲,
然後我也說過只要他把有問題的網址拿掉就好,我根本沒說他另外的純文字攻略有問題
所以跟想繼續看攻略的人是完全沒抵觸的,我不知道為什麼有人也一直拿這一點來講?
我從來就沒說提供攻略的人該封殺或怎樣,我之前講了 N 句的我只在乎廣告是講假的?
希望您們真的看清楚別人的訴求,我們也並非想趕盡殺絕,謝謝
我甚至還提供意見說他可以改提供 BBS 純文字攻略,不插任何廣告或有廣告疑慮網址
所以請不要再選擇性忽略別人提的重點,或是造謠,
至少我很清楚我沒講過您說的那些奇怪的東西,希望我這次講完如果再有人用這個再誤導,
那板主應該以引戰(造謠)來處置吧?
如果沒有人造謠就不會有那麼多莫名其妙的爭議僵持不下了,
並不是因為我們愛雞婆提醒,事實上就是從 3 月講到現在的事還有人搞不清楚,
所以問題才會越滾越大,
不喜歡我雞婆的人可以不喜歡我,但至少不該沒求證把我們的原意曲解
另外我也曾經致函板主,
我也有很清楚的跟他們講,不是所有廣告都該封殺,
至少 Blog 業者硬塞給免費部落客的那種站方內建廣告就無可避免,
但我有講是部落客"刻意"申請給自己賺錢用的就該封殺,
例如那個人,我講過他是 pixnet 的 VIP 付費會員,
所以理論上是可以達到零廣告的乾淨空間才是,
不料他的部落格卻反其道而行,硬塞了許多額外自己申請來賺錢用的 BlogAD 跟
BloggerAds 廣告服務,而且是只要一進他網誌就會被強制累計計算,
PTT 是個分享資訊的平臺,但不是被拿來賺錢的平臺,
又 h 板友,依先前IP來看,我猜您應該是臺大的校友吧? (如果這邊我錯認我道歉先)
但如果您是臺大校友的話,煩請您有空時去問一下校方,
PTT 該不該被拿來當作賺錢工具? 甚至要不要去問教育部,學網該不該被拿來誘騙賺錢用?
而且過往 PSP 板有多少板友無償無怨無悔的熱心提供攻略給大家看?
請不要把提供情報或攻略的行為用金錢量化,
如果您認為給他賺一下又不會怎樣? 一旦開放後,以後就會有更多麻煩,
大家寫什麼都是變成先為了賺錢而寫,文章內容反而不是重點了,
況且他如果想靠寫攻略賺錢就該自己去成立一個遊戲攻略網站才是,
PTT 本來就不該被商業營利行為入侵或污染,
像 Wikipedia,不也是集許多精英免費提供資訊而成的最佳實證?
這表示世界上還是有很多熱心的人願意免費提供資訊不求回報,
不用擔心沒錢賺的攻略就不是攻略,我相信那個人如果真的願意的話,
他也是可以無償提供他的優秀文筆,而不是因為沒錢賺就不想提供資訊
而且如果開放讓賺錢攻略進來,這對以前無償免費提供資訊的板友更是一種羞辱,
也是在羞辱 PTT 這學術資訊分享平臺
最後希望您們這次真的有看清楚我的話,麻煩請您們不吝惜在下面給個回應,
表示您們收到了我的澄清,
當然還是想選擇噓我的話,我也會尊重您們的選擇,我也不會說你們亂噓文或引戰,
我只希望不要再有人扭曲我的原意,謝謝
推 goodga:很簡單,kiss是累犯 永久水桶就好了 04/04 23:34
推 hegemon:把kiss和GMSniperII永久水桶應該就沒事了 04/04 23:38
如果您希望我不要再出現那我就尊重您,不需要您請板主水桶我,我自己也會離開,
不過前提是請不要再有人扭曲我當初的原意,
如果再被扭曲,我還是只好抽空為了自己清白再出來解釋,
我也希望這是最後一次發文,但也請不希望我發文的人就不要再扭曲我的原意及初衷,謝謝
也請您搜我在板上過去的文章就可得知,我本來早就好一陣子沒在板上出現了,
我不是非上 PSP 板不可,最近讓我隔好幾個月又再出來發文就只是因為騙廣告點擊那件事
至於您另外提 kiss 要不要永久水桶? 我個人是覺得不妥,就好比我只在意他騙點擊跟
賺錢行為,以及他網站有沒有盜圖盜文盜版權物?
如果他有意願改過自新,改掉過去為人詬病的那些問題,
那就不妨給他個機會,無須趕盡殺絕
推 ds1441:下次就會有人說Q版主ID看到一堆廣告不行 04/04 23:43
這點是您講的,如果您擔心就請自行跟板主講您的疑慮及擔憂,無須預設立場
最後,再一次為其他無辜受影響的板友道歉,我對不起您們,對不起了
即日起我將依循上面我答應 h 板友的請求,我不再在 PSP 板發言,
不過前提是請不要再有人扭曲我當初的原意,謝謝,
如果被扭曲,我還是會出來稍微解釋一下,希望大家也不想再看到吧?
就這樣囉,謝謝大家
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