LOU2全破感想:設定沒問題,但編劇爛 - PS

By Lauren
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今天在朋友家一起全破二代了(我負責玩艾比線,因為我朋友不想碰她)
總算可以發篇心得,順便綜合這幾天看REDDIT、巴哈、TWITTER還有一些遊戲論壇筆戰的
感想。
遊戲性:比一代順蠻多的,但地圖編排好像沒之前那麼新鮮
劇情:
先講結論:我不在乎人設或劇情設定,但二代說故事技巧好爛
先把二代遊戲結構拆幾個來看,其實玩家對以下設定大都能接受
雙主角:艾比、艾莉 - OK
艾比的外觀 - Ok
強調女權 - OK
喬爾的非英雄式死亡 - OK
善惡非二元對立 - OK
復仇的延伸與信念衝突 - OK
回憶的救贖 - OK
放下復仇後帶來的無力感 - OK
都是蠻常見也不錯的設定,所以玩家絕對可以接受這種故事,PTT上故事看得比我多的人這
麼多,一堆作品上都能看到上述設定的影子吧,但為什麼二代爆炸?因為就真的你寫得不
好啊。
以下幾個我的觀點:
強調女權:復仇者聯盟就有,也不討厭。二代讓人生厭是你打打殺殺了一輪,結果全都
比不上一代出現沒多久的Tess,如果你要說外表差距也不對,就沒看過有人因為大神櫻而
討厭槍彈、因為札莉雅討厭鬥陣,反過來不也一堆外型姣好父權到爆的女角被罵死,
實際上大家喜愛或討厭一個角色就是看你劇本會不會寫而已。
喬爾非英雄式死亡:the wire、險路勿近一些經典美劇跟電影玩過類似風格:人會死於
無可奈何、令人嗤笑的意外。能否被接受完全是描寫功力(這邊我個人感覺二代想強調
的無奈跟險路勿近很像,就不雷了,有興趣的板友可以去看看,然後我超愛THE WIRE。)
後面的問題一樣都是描寫功力問題,我個人就大綱跟人設來看真的沒毛病,感覺
就是編劇沒那個能力卻想要寫多舛、情感交雜的作品,然後失敗了,而且還自以為是
地認為這可以帶給玩家震撼教育,卻不知道為什麼在平台上都在怪玩家只會性別歧視。
我看九成玩家都是在罵你劇情不通順啊...
復仇又放下的劇本來就不好寫,玩家早就知道喬爾一代做那麼多壞事本來就很難善終,
你二代玩的是先讓喬爾死,在靠回憶逐漸飽和、豐富艾利和艾比的心境與人設。
這種作法當然OK,因為你也不是第一個這樣做的人...(看看金庸)
但太粗糙、太單薄了,艾利龍骨化石那邊是蠻溫馨,但其實對二代想講的復仇與放下
沒太大關聯,但如果你是要提升艾利的恨意,起碼後面要提起所謂原諒又是從何來吧;
艾比跟她爸的回憶也是很隨便帶過,簡直就是強迫玩家要藍色窗簾,一堆可有可無、中斷
情緒的的片段非常惱人,有種你到底要傳達什麼、一股說教卻沒邏輯的意味,難怪大家
會覺得像在吃屎。
我認為這問題出在只有二代只有一個自以為是的編劇,他只顧著自認很酷的中心思想寫
劇本,忽略了角色之間的設定與邏輯,這會讓玩家容易情緒跟不上、無法代入角色並造
成認知錯誤,這也是為什麼一齣劇通常會不只一個編劇,漫畫也會有所謂責任編輯存在
因為可以互相用不同的角度來討論是不是還缺了什麼,尤其最後的泥巴戰跟莫名腦內一閃
真的是尷尬到不行..
所以我得到的感想是:
編劇想寫一齣努力在末世尋求價值,然而最後迎接自己的只有無奈,你無力且憔悴
但日子還是要過的戲謔結局。
但是就是沒寫好。(打到這邊忽然想起以前看的一部西班牙電影卡米諾,雖然沒啥關聯)
我也發覺我為什麼會討厭二代,因為他很像我以前小學時寫的作文
充滿為賦新辭強說愁的青澀
現在拿出來看就會覺得真是黑歷史「靠,我當初寫這三小,尷尬到爆」
以上是對二代長長的抒發文
--
總算可以發篇心得,順便綜合這幾天看REDDIT、巴哈、TWITTER還有一些遊戲論壇筆戰的
感想。
遊戲性:比一代順蠻多的,但地圖編排好像沒之前那麼新鮮
劇情:
先講結論:我不在乎人設或劇情設定,但二代說故事技巧好爛
先把二代遊戲結構拆幾個來看,其實玩家對以下設定大都能接受
雙主角:艾比、艾莉 - OK
艾比的外觀 - Ok
強調女權 - OK
喬爾的非英雄式死亡 - OK
善惡非二元對立 - OK
復仇的延伸與信念衝突 - OK
回憶的救贖 - OK
放下復仇後帶來的無力感 - OK
都是蠻常見也不錯的設定,所以玩家絕對可以接受這種故事,PTT上故事看得比我多的人這
麼多,一堆作品上都能看到上述設定的影子吧,但為什麼二代爆炸?因為就真的你寫得不
好啊。
以下幾個我的觀點:
強調女權:復仇者聯盟就有,也不討厭。二代讓人生厭是你打打殺殺了一輪,結果全都
比不上一代出現沒多久的Tess,如果你要說外表差距也不對,就沒看過有人因為大神櫻而
討厭槍彈、因為札莉雅討厭鬥陣,反過來不也一堆外型姣好父權到爆的女角被罵死,
實際上大家喜愛或討厭一個角色就是看你劇本會不會寫而已。
喬爾非英雄式死亡:the wire、險路勿近一些經典美劇跟電影玩過類似風格:人會死於
無可奈何、令人嗤笑的意外。能否被接受完全是描寫功力(這邊我個人感覺二代想強調
的無奈跟險路勿近很像,就不雷了,有興趣的板友可以去看看,然後我超愛THE WIRE。)
後面的問題一樣都是描寫功力問題,我個人就大綱跟人設來看真的沒毛病,感覺
就是編劇沒那個能力卻想要寫多舛、情感交雜的作品,然後失敗了,而且還自以為是
地認為這可以帶給玩家震撼教育,卻不知道為什麼在平台上都在怪玩家只會性別歧視。
我看九成玩家都是在罵你劇情不通順啊...
復仇又放下的劇本來就不好寫,玩家早就知道喬爾一代做那麼多壞事本來就很難善終,
你二代玩的是先讓喬爾死,在靠回憶逐漸飽和、豐富艾利和艾比的心境與人設。
這種作法當然OK,因為你也不是第一個這樣做的人...(看看金庸)
但太粗糙、太單薄了,艾利龍骨化石那邊是蠻溫馨,但其實對二代想講的復仇與放下
沒太大關聯,但如果你是要提升艾利的恨意,起碼後面要提起所謂原諒又是從何來吧;
艾比跟她爸的回憶也是很隨便帶過,簡直就是強迫玩家要藍色窗簾,一堆可有可無、中斷
情緒的的片段非常惱人,有種你到底要傳達什麼、一股說教卻沒邏輯的意味,難怪大家
會覺得像在吃屎。
我認為這問題出在只有二代只有一個自以為是的編劇,他只顧著自認很酷的中心思想寫
劇本,忽略了角色之間的設定與邏輯,這會讓玩家容易情緒跟不上、無法代入角色並造
成認知錯誤,這也是為什麼一齣劇通常會不只一個編劇,漫畫也會有所謂責任編輯存在
因為可以互相用不同的角度來討論是不是還缺了什麼,尤其最後的泥巴戰跟莫名腦內一閃
真的是尷尬到不行..
所以我得到的感想是:
編劇想寫一齣努力在末世尋求價值,然而最後迎接自己的只有無奈,你無力且憔悴
但日子還是要過的戲謔結局。
但是就是沒寫好。(打到這邊忽然想起以前看的一部西班牙電影卡米諾,雖然沒啥關聯)
我也發覺我為什麼會討厭二代,因為他很像我以前小學時寫的作文
充滿為賦新辭強說愁的青澀
現在拿出來看就會覺得真是黑歷史「靠,我當初寫這三小,尷尬到爆」
以上是對二代長長的抒發文
--
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