Iksar談平衡改動內容 - 爐石戰記

Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2019-05-15T15:34

Table of Contents


來源:https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/bo4ljd/_/enf5x1u/

We look at the meta every day. In day one it was Bomb Warrior. We evaluated
the population, win-rate, looked at matchups, got anecdotal data on how if
feels to play or play against, then played it a bunch at high levels on the
ladder ourselves. Then it became Rogue, then Druid, back to Rogue, finally
onto a combination of those three classes and Hunter stabilizing at the top
in terms of win-rate. All along the way we talk about what changes we would
make to any individual class if it got to a point we thought it was
necessary. With every deck we do this, even if we're not publicly discussing
what we might change. What I can say, and have said in various publications
over the last week or two, is that Rogue is the class we're looking the
closest at. The reason for that is that even though the best Rogue deck tends
to cycle between best and fourth best archetype, it's the class with the
least amount of poor matchups. When a deck is 53ish% win rate but has only
1-2 matchups below 50%, there is a high risk of the meta stabilizing around
that deck. On the flip side, when you look at a class like Warrior the
matchups are a little more varied, with some matchups being around 45% and
some around 55%. Polarized matchups get a lot of flack for various reasons,
but a great deck having good and bad matchups is a big reason why the meta is
able to shift on its own rather than stabilize in one spot.

Of course, it's not all about data. The reason we actually change things is
because of how they feel. One of the factors that contributes to how
something feels to play against is how long it's been around. For example,
even if best deck X felt alright to be the best for a week, players probably
won't feel like that if best deck X is still there 2 months later. That's
where data comes in. We've been watching gameplay trends in data for 15 sets
now and have a pretty good idea what a meta looks like when it's about to see
a shift and what a meta looks like when it's completely stabilized. The part
where data doesn't help is when we have decks that cast Shudderwock 15 times
or have an indestructible Lifestealing weapon. Those changes are based around
feel and are what we generally come to places like reddit looking for.

In terms of communication, we first have to get aligned internally. This
subreddit finds out what we've decided to do when we get a patch date in
place, the official messaging has been written, and it's been translated into
all languages. This process usually takes a week or a week + a couple days.
This is all to say, once we decide to do a patch, you will all know within
about 7 days of the moment we decide.

備註:
改動的日期不一定
七天前會通知讓我們做好頭七的準備
強度不是砍的標準
目前看來賊是第一號目標
只有一到兩個對局勝率是低於50%
也就是很少劣勢對局

剛在巴哈看到的
九陶郎翹班竟然沒搬ㄟ
個人意見nerf不是最佳解也不是唯一解
第一個版本本來就會讓早就成熟牌組吃香
下一個版本就會有剋星了
而且經典卡牌應該在瑟瑟發抖了(個人意見)

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Tags: 爐石

All Comments

Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2019-05-18T04:58
經典再砍玩家流失更快
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2019-05-20T21:07
因為這篇就沒說啥啊
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2019-05-23T23:26
喔喔喔原來要這樣改啊
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2019-05-26T03:09
也沒說要砍經典 一樓不用太急
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2019-05-26T18:41
準備、悶棍你們看著辦
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2019-05-28T09:55
砍劫掠隊伍或是瓦哥鎬機率高一點
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2019-05-31T12:26
沒放這兩張的盜賊真的滿爛的
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2019-05-31T19:20
強度不是砍的標準,經典才是,垃圾暴雪
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2019-05-31T22:00
驚懼海盜、炸雞勇者 發抖中
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2019-06-04T22:24
賊戰都砍一砍啦
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2019-06-05T08:50
準備:聽說我有點太強了?
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2019-06-08T23:24
可以先準備幫準備上香了
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2019-06-09T12:58
先砍盾猛跟致命射擊啦幹
James avatar
By James
at 2019-06-09T17:58
下好離手,魔塵歐印,準備金卡合起來 MingLee
George avatar
By George
at 2019-06-14T11:48
我講真的 賊現在沒有戰士那麼爽
William avatar
By William
at 2019-06-16T13:51
不過也只是沒那麼爽而已
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2019-06-17T18:16
我記得BZ很常都是這樣耶 講賊OP然後nerf其他職QQ
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2019-06-22T08:16
快一點砍瓦哥鎬跟爆爆博士英雄好爆
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2019-06-26T09:09
不要砍了 先還我成長滋補
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2019-06-29T01:34
戰可能要挫勒蛋了
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2019-07-03T07:16
還在等metabreaker橫空出世? 好了啦暴雪
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2019-07-05T15:01
bz 說要砍賊 死的會是戰士 從以前的例子來看XD
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2019-07-07T08:05
現在 賊打秘密獵 跟以前一樣 感覺82開
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2019-07-09T20:51
真的沒講啥==
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2019-07-12T20:05
一定砍賊==只會打臉 SMOrc
一定砍賊==只會打臉 SMOrc
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2019-07-14T19:48
不知道為什麼 現在賊 連打 1拳聖也很難搞
但~ 賊就是有 打出上限的優勢,所以勝率不難看
不知道為什麼 現在賊 連打 1拳聖也很難搞
但~ 賊就是有 打出上限的優勢,所以勝率不難看
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2019-07-17T11:50
我自己完秘密獵 對到賊戰 也是很爽
我自己完秘密獵 對到賊戰 也是很爽
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2019-07-20T10:32
秘密獵就一直出考題給節奏賊想就好了 不需要用腦
秘密獵就一直出考題給節奏賊想就好了 不需要用腦
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2019-07-24T10:07
爆爆博士要改吧
爆爆博士要改吧
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2019-07-27T19:00
砍準備悶棍或改回成長滋補二選一,或一起做我也能
接受
砍準備悶棍或改回成長滋補二選一,或一起做我也能
接受
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2019-07-31T11:28
bz邏輯大概是砍準備
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2019-07-31T14:03
又要亂nerf的感覺了 唉
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2019-07-31T21:34
不太可能不砍準備 真的太萬用
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2019-08-05T14:46
說真的,也滿多人認為準備需要砍(其實從遠古到現在
就一直有這聲音了),你要說這些人都bz邏輯也行吧
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2019-08-05T23:03
強度當然不是砍的標準 $$$才是
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2019-08-07T20:34
準備改成下一回合法術才減費 8888
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2019-08-11T23:48
所以經典卡 普卡自己看著辦
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2019-08-13T02:48
今年一定倒
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2019-08-15T18:36
賊太強,那戰士危險了
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2019-08-18T06:44
BZ有種再砍經典 一堆賊玩家一定爆氣
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2019-08-22T21:21
賊不只一兩個劣勢對局 打控戰、炸彈戰、糯米牧、奇
蹟法都開小 尤其最近一堆奇蹟法
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2019-08-25T23:19
糯米牧 未必開小,我覺得要看 火占 北郡 環有沒有
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2019-08-30T17:10
賊現在勝率沒特別突出了吧,再砍沒啥道理啊
倒是現在很多職業對德魯伊瘋狂鋪場沒辦法
難道野性之力要被砍www
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2019-09-02T11:49
來.. 只賭6費 拍賣師 很容易吃屎
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2019-09-05T19:23
最近一堆奇蹟法跟秘密獵就是因為賊好嗎 倒因為果了
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2019-09-08T01:05
戰士才是最該被砍的
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2019-09-10T07:28
就是賊太多才會出現那些抓賊的牌組啊
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2019-09-12T10:06
劫掠改4費
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2019-09-15T22:16
你說砍其他的說BZ邏輯就算了,至少準備跟爆爆絕對
不無辜,用當初砍成長的理由,準備早該死了,留到
現在算很好了
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2019-09-17T00:05
原來是這樣改 改得不錯
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2019-09-21T05:41
死了吧?
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2019-09-26T03:07
垃圾平衡有啥好討論的,比賽就三個職業在玩
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2019-09-26T12:49
準備準備好了
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2019-09-30T13:15
準備是史詩為啥一堆人覺得跟啟動成長一樣?
John avatar
By John
at 2019-09-30T21:53
我猜準備改減2費 瓦哥鎬432 劫掠4費
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2019-10-02T13:36
我敢說準備不會砍,看看小斧薩鋼成長,要砍爛一副
牌不用動史詩卡退塵虧死,最多進名人堂送你鍍金
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2019-10-05T08:56
傻了才去砍史詩存一張就退塵400相當10卡包
存個10張錢都不用賺了,還是經典卡存的人更多
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2019-10-06T14:59
感覺法師3費也會被動,因跟暴雪想要的法師長不一樣
James avatar
By James
at 2019-10-10T03:12
因為照同樣邏輯準備該動,大部分輿論也支持改,史
詩近期改動聖騎有動過,不過不是經典,要說怕退塵
也是可能,但放大到從無印到現在,經典史詩改動還
是一堆,所以該動還是動吧,準備完全限制盜賊低費
法術的強度了,趁這次改掉也好啦
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2019-10-14T17:54
金卡準備準備好了
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2019-10-17T18:13
這篇文章:嗯,7天改動
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2019-10-18T22:42
盜賊0都改成1 暴力解 盜賊被砍倒死就等下版
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2019-10-19T23:49
這版本感覺好快就膩了
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2019-10-21T07:21
趕快砍準備 我有5張
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2019-10-24T07:03
跪求成長改回來
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2019-10-24T20:25
節奏賊又不是圍繞某張牌構築的牌組 砍準備不會直接
讓整副玩不起來 就是變爛而已
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2019-10-28T22:53
變爛就是目的阿,何況相比其他need,只是變爛算很好
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2019-10-30T02:45
砍準備 牽扯到一堆東西,跟當初德魯伊一樣
連奇蹟戰吼賊都沒辦法玩的那種
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2019-11-01T07:49
準備可以改成超載2啊 瓦哥鎬改砍臉傷害減半 問題不
就解決了
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2019-11-03T04:05
瓦哥鎬砍掉回手降費吧,哪有一把武器那麼多功能的
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2019-11-04T20:49
給他回手就夠狗了,還降費是三小
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2019-11-05T09:43
你知道我知道獨眼龍也知道是瘟疫op,然後屄力會砍成
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2019-11-05T20:12
再砍啊 財報更難看
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2019-11-06T03:26
戰士欠砍的牌也好幾張,全都送名人堂啦
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2019-11-09T21:29
砍準備不會讓他玩不起來 你確定?...
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2019-11-12T19:20
我覺得啦 搞不好我是錯的阿 又搞不好bz根本不會砍xd
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2019-11-17T00:23
bz:我們覺得賊太強 因此我們決定也nerf薩滿的閃電
箭 為了未來meta的平衡 索爾:??!?
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2019-11-21T23:28
瓦哥鎬改成4/3/3就沒問題了,死聲晚一回發,海盜不
免費,還能保留原來的特色。
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2019-11-23T10:47
說實話我也知道是劫掠跟瓦哥鎬強,但準備也沒那麼無
辜,他就是萬用牌,這次你砍劫掠,下次又出張可配的
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2019-11-28T02:07
三費法術準備一樣被拿出來講,加上過去強勢的奇蹟賊
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2019-11-28T17:58
要砍就狠一點直接動準備了,免除後續麻煩
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2019-11-29T23:42
準備從以前奇蹟賊被靠北到現在了,被改真的不意外。
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2019-12-04T06:23
雖然當時先中槍的是炸雞跟老闆。
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2019-12-08T01:57
盾猛
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2019-12-08T20:49
砍準備 盾猛和爆爆博士 選我正解
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2019-12-09T17:20
準備三普ㄧ金坐等原價拆
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2019-12-14T00:44
NERF內容:瓦麗拉穿上長褲(?)
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2019-12-15T03:08
啟動這個加2水晶的都被砍了 準備 發抖了嗎?
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2019-12-16T10:03
金卡爆爆博士等待中
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2019-12-21T08:50
拉及爆爆勃起 砍一砍啦
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2019-12-21T22:25
盜賊全金給他砍 這波不虧
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2019-12-25T02:33
當然是把紫奶頭NERF成沒奶頭
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2019-12-27T16:04
劫倞五費 準備safe
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2019-12-29T21:11
幹拜託砍法師 等我打到資格再砍盜賊
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2019-12-29T23:51
依最近團隊,要砍都看經典,炸雞,準備,等著吧
George avatar
By George
at 2020-01-02T03:46
想當年妖術躺搶
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2020-01-05T01:55
戰士其實也可以歸在體驗差那類了...
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2020-01-06T23:53
準備一費
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2020-01-08T19:54
雖然事後證明妖術真的該砍,但當時真的是莫名其妙中
槍,當時主要是進退薩根本沒人用妖術。
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2020-01-10T15:14
也不是該砍...單純為了很蠢的齊頭式平等
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2020-01-11T23:51
準備該砍成三費
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2020-01-15T05:21
準備背刺死去~~
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2020-01-18T15:15
先幫準備辦告別式囉

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