DQ11發表會(仮) 28日下午4點 - NDS

By Charlie
at 2015-07-28T03:35
at 2015-07-28T03:35
Table of Contents
看到的發布內容
3DS部分: DQ8
DQMJ3
DQ10試玩版
DQ11
NX部分:DQ10
DQ11
PS4部分:DQ HERO2
DQ11
然後還有一個大型電玩的卡片遊戲
其他不知道有沒有漏
來自 はちま起稿
ttp://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8272612.html
來源沒事誤點,知道下午有發表會就好
標題圖曝光
『ドラゴンクエスト11 過ぎ去りし時を求めて』
『ドラゴンクエスト モンスターバトルスキャナー』
平台未知~
推測可能平台:PS4/3DS
或許雙版本?!
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※ 編輯: chinhsi (124.109.119.108), 07/28/2015 03:39:16
推 swardman4: 為啥要在NDS板貼糞起搞的東西給他賺流量? 07/28 09:49
→ swardman4: 請把網址刪了好嗎 07/28 09:49
推 Okadaneko: 糞起稿每天只會報導老任微軟負面新聞 請勿轉貼連結 07/28 10:27
噓 shutatata: 對不起我沒風度 2沒壞 07/28 10:39
推 shutatata: 對不起爬了你其他發文qq推回來但是還是請把網址修掉吧 07/28 10:44
推 SkyeySea: 它內文有個來源海外網址,你可以用那一個~ 07/28 11:05
※ 編輯: chinhsi (220.139.98.153), 07/28/2015 11:10:28 推 x12118: 喔不~早上點進去了囧> 希望這次DQ11可以出在任平臺 07/28 11:50
推 swordsgod: 個人想法是上家用機平台最好,掌機就算了 07/28 12:31
推 Pochafun: 對DQ本傳沒很愛,純看獎落誰家的熱鬧 07/28 13:35
→ chinhsi: 勇鬥版變手遊遊戲討論版了XD 07/28 13:55
推 Okadaneko: 樓上講的是殘酷的現實 現在僅存的DQ老飯已經沒多少了.. 07/28 14:18
推 kohichi0701: 台灣是這樣子 日本還是很夯DQ阿 不過RPG迷減少是真的 07/28 14:25
→ Cornell: 起稿和jin這類網站的存在 真的會讓人很難看得起索尼 07/28 15:29
推 Okadaneko: 就是有腦粉看了起稿和jin就一天到晚覺得任天堂要倒了 07/28 15:32
推 cherry1234: 開始了 07/28 16:02
推 finzaghi: 開始了 07/28 16:03
推 tom11725: 開始了 07/28 16:03
→ tom11725: 官方也知道昨天就被破梗了WW 07/28 16:04
推 finzaghi: 介紹手遊中 07/28 16:07
推 bibbosb4: 那網站平常把老任和岩田罵的不是人,岩田過世又故意裝致 07/28 16:09
→ bibbosb4: 哀騙點擊率根本誇張 07/28 16:09
推 ericyi: 手遊結束 堀井出場 07/28 16:11
推 finzaghi: DQ8 07/28 16:12
→ tom11725: 哦哦DQ8先來 07/28 16:12
→ tom11725: CM花絮...囧 07/28 16:13
推 ericyi: DQ麥塊(誤) 07/28 16:15
推 finzaghi: DQ builders 07/28 16:16
推 berry383838: 不知道發表會多久...dq11大概放最後 07/28 16:16
→ ericyi: 聽說是1.5小時 07/28 16:17
→ berry383838: 上班偷看中 不知道會不會脫任... 脫任倒數一小時 07/28 16:19
推 finzaghi: DQ Heroes 2 07/28 16:26
→ chinhsi: DQ無雙二代好快發表 07/28 16:26
推 swordsgod: 明天春發售 07/28 16:30
推 finzaghi: DQM 3 07/28 16:30
→ tom11725: DQM3都忘了wwww 07/28 16:31
推 ericyi: 這應該是3DS了吧 07/28 16:31
→ tom11725: 這是阿,本版前面有情報了 07/28 16:31
→ Pochafun: 印象中DQH初代一年就完成了,二代比照辦理XD 07/28 16:32
→ Pochafun: 目前最感興趣的就是DQ麥塊了,可以建東西又可以打怪 07/28 16:33
→ berry383838: 這啥 07/28 16:36
推 ericyi: DQ怪獸戰鬥掃描器?? 07/28 16:36
→ tom11725: AC 07/28 16:37
→ berry383838: 類似甲蟲王者那種...卡片機 07/28 16:37
推 finzaghi: 2億張卡@@ 07/28 16:38
推 justicem: 如果各家都有的話該不會11是WiiU 07/28 16:41
→ berry383838: 10... 07/28 16:44
推 ericyi: DQ10也三年啦 07/28 16:44
推 ericyi: 這時候出3DS試玩版幹嘛啦wwwww 07/28 16:47
推 cherry1234: 驚喜? 07/28 16:48
推 justicem: OLG推免費體驗版引人入坑滿合理的啊 畢竟OLG是長期飯票 07/28 16:48
→ ericyi: PS4版DQ10 07/28 16:48
→ chinhsi: 搞BDFF那一套嗎? 07/28 16:48
→ berry383838: dq10脫任 07/28 16:49
推 cherry1234: DQXI來了 07/28 16:50
→ taxi: 如果真的11出在WiiU上....相信一定會變成某些人口中的奮作了 07/28 16:50
→ berry383838: 來了嗎 07/28 16:50
推 finzaghi: DQ 11 07/28 16:51
推 demonOoO: 標題好文青喔XD 07/28 16:52
→ finzaghi: PS4 3DS!!!!!!!!!! 07/28 16:52
推 ericyi: 這樣退場又出場好玩嗎??wwwwww 07/28 16:52
推 cherry1234: PS4 3DS? 07/28 16:52
→ chinhsi: 真的雙版本XD 07/28 16:52
→ cherry1234: 學 二之國? 07/28 16:53
→ demonOoO: 不解 畫質兩台差很多吧 07/28 16:53
推 scott032: PSV表示: 07/28 16:53
→ swordsgod: 跨的尺度也太大了吧 07/28 16:53
→ demonOoO: 3DS市占率太高的原故吧 07/28 16:53
→ swordsgod: Ps4版不會被拖累? 07/28 16:53
→ scott032: 3DS要拖累PS4了XDDD 這樣算某些人口中的奮作嗎 07/28 16:54
→ ericyi: WiiU表示: 07/28 16:54
推 Okadaneko: 上演大和解戲碼了 07/28 16:54
→ kindamark: 不然只出ps4賺不了錢 07/28 16:54
推 bibbosb4: PS4版才是本氣吧,3DS感覺就只是順便撈 07/28 16:54
推 tom11725: 3DS又要拖類PS4了XDDD 07/28 16:54
推 x12118: 太扯了,居然跨平臺www 07/28 16:54
→ swordsgod: 果然還是放不開,打安全牌 07/28 16:55
推 demonOoO: 好年輕的帥哥 07/28 16:56
推 niitneco: 是時候買台PS4了嗎,不知道可不可以連動,外出玩3DS在家 07/28 16:57
推 ericyi: 3DS版的製作人好帥 有點像二宮和也 07/28 16:57
→ niitneco: 玩PS4 07/28 16:57
推 x12118: 這樣PS4有可能玩得到中文DQ11? 07/28 16:58
→ chinhsi: 然後會不會跟某機戰一樣,說3DS版拖垮PS4版畫質 07/28 16:58
→ chinhsi: DQ本傳文字量超大,中文有難度 07/28 16:59
→ scott032: 3DS外包的,看來是奶粉作,可以PASS了 07/28 16:59
→ swordsgod: 這應該要用二套引擎分別開發吧,不然要怎麼整合... 07/28 16:59
→ leonh0627: 軌跡系列文字量也都很大 都能中文化了 07/28 17:00
推 demonOoO: 特南克斯? 07/28 17:00
推 aterui: DQ除了10代之外全部都是外包,所以1-9代都是奶粉作了? 07/28 17:01
推 danadanad: 超期待3DS畫面可以多慘..XD 07/28 17:01
→ chinhsi: 外包廠商曾經有等級5 07/28 17:02
推 ak0209: 中文化怎會有難度 DQ在繁中區 簡中區市場都很大 07/28 17:02
推 cherry1234: PS4的版本 構圖很細膩 動作也很多了 07/28 17:03
推 ericyi: 覺得背景擬真過度跟人物很不搭XDD 07/28 17:04
→ danadanad: 覺得DQ中文化機會蠻大的啊 SCE這幾年真的很積極 很棒 07/28 17:05
推 demonOoO: 有薩爾達的fu 07/28 17:05
→ demonOoO: 草原這段好像XD 07/28 17:05
推 swordsgod: 虛幻4開發,還不錯 07/28 17:06
→ demonOoO: 覺得畫質還不錯 +1 07/28 17:07
→ peacemaker1: 外包話題打出一堆dq迷XD 07/28 17:07
推 tom11725: 哦哦哦www3DS版要來了 07/28 17:07
推 cherry1234: 時間到了...Y 07/28 17:07
→ cherry1234: 來看3DS版了 07/28 17:08
→ tom11725: 3DS版完成度比較高wwwwwww 07/28 17:08
推 ericyi: 上下畫面這樣不錯耶XD 07/28 17:08
推 aterui: 點陣圖模式耶,算賣老人了吧 07/28 17:08
推 danadanad: 太強了XDDDD 感覺好像在玩不一樣的東西 07/28 17:09
推 demonOoO: 超任風格。。。 07/28 17:09
→ peacemaker1: 靠..居然有分上下畫面,我覺得3ds比較屌XDDD 07/28 17:09
→ cherry1234: 但我會想買3DS版的 可以看3D 以及下畫面的16位元阿~~~ 07/28 17:09
推 mikeneko: DQ中文市場真的很大嗎,我從7玩到9,之後才補456,和FF 07/28 17:10
→ mikeneko: 、TO相比,即使最紅的9代熱度也差滿多的 07/28 17:10
→ demonOoO: 3DS不會有中文版的可能性....Orz 07/28 17:10
→ cherry1234: 3DS版會中文的不是像MARIO這類型的嗎? 07/28 17:10
→ ericyi: 最紅的9代?? DQ9的評價沒很好吧w 07/28 17:11
→ cherry1234: 3DS版的戰鬥畫面可以選擇2D 或是3D的喔~~~ 07/28 17:11
推 danadanad: PS4感覺比較動作化 可以玩的細節比較多 3ds就專注劇情 07/28 17:11
→ cherry1234: 出史萊姆同捆吧~~~~ 07/28 17:12
推 mikeneko: 即使評價不高,9應該是最多人玩過的吧 07/28 17:12
→ msun: 最紅的9代? 你跟DQ很不熟喔 看來DQ果然在台灣不紅 07/28 17:12
推 Okadaneko: 3DS版超棒 天啊好感動 07/28 17:12
推 ak0209: DQH日本賣了76萬 亞洲區賣了24萬上下 07/28 17:13
推 ericyi: 最多人玩應該是PS的七代或PS2的八代吧 畢竟台灣是索島 07/28 17:14
推 aterui: 樓上忽略數位下載版和出貨沒消化掉的部分了 07/28 17:14
推 demonOoO: 超帥的特南克斯XD 07/28 17:15
→ Joshiki727: 看完了,第一印象會選3DS版...呵呵 07/28 17:15
推 x12118: 兩版都想買,希望兩版劇情不一樣! 07/28 17:16
→ ak0209: 數位下載版不是算同捆機? 07/28 17:16
→ peacemaker1: 台灣的話應該是很冷...之前簽名會半夜去排,排到快入 07/28 17:18
→ peacemaker1: 場我排的那個入口才20人左右,對面排神魔的大概有幾 07/28 17:18
推 Boasoul: 個人還是偏好456代...9代才破一次就不想在玩第2輪了..XD 07/28 17:18
→ peacemaker1: 百人= = 07/28 17:18
推 tom11725: 已經說過兩個版本的故事是一樣的 07/28 17:20
推 cherry1234: 如果是拿主機遊戲跟手遊比的話 又是不同領域了 07/28 17:21
推 demonOoO: 跟FF有點像 最暢銷的代數都是SFC上的6、和PS上的7吧 07/28 17:21
→ HolyBugTw: DQ石板系列玩得好累,4和5印象比較深刻 07/28 17:22
→ x12118: 劇情居然一樣OTZ 07/28 17:24
推 aterui: DQ評價最好的是345,7代評價是倒數等級了 07/28 17:24
推 peacemaker1: 7光是開頭迷宮就打倒一票人了XD 07/28 17:25
→ kindamark: 賣最好的是DQ9 07/28 17:26
→ aterui: 但9代評價也是倒數等級的 07/28 17:26
推 ericyi: 11有NX!!!!!!!!! 07/28 17:26
→ Boasoul: 七代當時是2D跟3D的世代交替XD 劇情整個就很微妙 07/28 17:26
推 cherry1234: NX 真的要出了~~ 07/28 17:26
推 h04mp6286: NX!!!!!!!! 07/28 17:26
推 Okadaneko: NX要出嚇死我 07/28 17:27
推 sxxs: 挖塞 XDDDDDDDD 07/28 17:28
推 demonOoO: 同捆? 那當然等NX啦 接著又有薩爾達新作XD 07/28 17:29
推 qasew: DQ7 血尿的石板系統和職業系統,還有移民 07/28 17:29
推 tom11725: NX可以確定是家機了嗎XDD 07/28 17:30
→ tom11725: 這篇可以轉Wii版了 07/28 17:30
→ sxxs: 3DS連DQ11都凹到了 喜歡畫面高清的也可以快去買PS4 XD 07/28 17:30
→ demonOoO: 買WiiU的應該會覺得很賭爛吧 一堆遊戲直接無視XD 07/28 17:31
推 Giovani: NX沒確定是家機 07/28 17:31
推 aterui: 今天有看到新聞說老任申請專利圖是要投影到天花板的 07/28 17:31
→ aterui: 不過那個應該是QOL 07/28 17:31
推 danadanad: 不會啊 我覺得Wii U的動作遊戲反而更多更好玩 馬車8也 07/28 17:32
→ danadanad: 是 還有大亂鬥 還有明年的薩爾達 值得了 07/28 17:33
→ asalfex: 沒認識買wiiu會賭濫的耶 反正從去年就知道剩沒幾款遊戲了 07/28 17:33
→ Giovani: 預估NX是掌機的比較多 週期來算5 6年也該出新掌機 07/28 17:33
→ danadanad: DQ願意被拿來當新主機的實驗品 感覺還蠻有趣 07/28 17:33
→ peacemaker1: 有花枝娘怎麼會賭爛,還撿到bayo2 07/28 17:35
→ wingdeniel: 拜託不要拖累PS4版 07/28 17:37
推 adolfal007: 有花枝一切值得 07/28 17:38
→ adolfal007: Bayo2跟馬車8都不錯 但我都只開花枝 XD 07/28 17:39
推 bben900911: ...跑來NDS板說屁話... 07/28 17:39
推 sxxs: 看直播 3DS風格很不錯 07/28 17:40
→ HolyBugTw: NX也許是家機,不過手把可以變成3DS攜帶用 07/28 17:40
→ HolyBugTw: X有cross的意涵 07/28 17:40
推 scott032: NX到底是怎樣的主機阿 07/28 17:41
→ kindamark: 一個代號叫做NX,未來會出DQXI的主機 <-目前已知情報 07/28 17:43
推 hero568: dq11副標中文意思是什麼呢 07/28 17:43
推 windfeather: PS4和3DS就美術呈現完全不同,有啥好拖累的 07/28 17:43
推 KaoBi24: 應該說喜歡掌機玩3ds 喜歡高清中文玩PS4 喜歡新機 玩NX 07/28 17:43
→ windfeather: 老實說3DS版還更像DQ系列的風格 07/28 17:43
推 psplay: 如果有PS4版 3ds應該會,....... 07/28 17:44
→ peacemaker1: 3ds應該會賣的比較好 07/28 17:45
推 scott032: 看來該買3DS版了 有兩種畫面耶 07/28 17:47
→ tom11725: 副標是「追尋過去的時間」 07/28 17:47
推 bestadi: 3DS是本格DQ嗎!? XDDDD 07/28 17:47
推 demonOoO: 副標超文青XD 跟法國一本知名小說同名稱 07/28 17:48
推 sxxs: 3DS可自由切換2D/3D 的樣子 07/28 17:48
→ hero568: 謝謝tom大 3ds好像是3d及點陣雙螢幕 超棒 07/28 17:48
→ demonOoO: 3DS是不是本社製作的 而非外包的原故吧 07/28 17:49
→ peacemaker1: 連戰鬥畫面都能挑前幾代的,真的很誇張XD 07/28 17:50
→ deathslime: 兩個版本本社成員幾乎重疊,都有找外包作 07/28 17:50
推 sxxs: 3DS是本社跟外包一起開發 PS4完全本社 兩版本劇情無分別 07/28 17:51
→ deathslime: 我是有聽到PS4版本社不夠力所以有找外包,沒聽清楚名稱 07/28 17:53
推 bestadi: 但DQ本社製作有幾代阿 印象DQ幾乎都是外包製作 07/28 17:55
→ deathslime: DQX當年發表時得意洋洋說這是本社製的 07/28 17:56
推 Okadaneko: 3DS版吃懷古廚正統王道DQ粉國內會賣比較好 PS4則吃海外 07/28 17:56
→ hero568: 好像沒差 re4567 8 re8 9 都外包? 還是好玩 07/28 17:57
→ deathslime: DQ1~5:Chunsoft(現合併為Spike Chunsoft) 07/28 17:58
推 sxxs: 3DS可以玩DQ4~11 真DQ機 07/28 17:58
推 akaiSHINSHI: 重點還是製作人吧 大亂鬥外包給BNGI 還不是很好玩 07/28 17:59
→ deathslime: DQ6 DQ7:Heart Beat,後來代表者山名学作電波人間 07/28 17:59
→ deathslime: DQ8 DQ9,Level5,不解釋 07/28 17:59
→ sxxs: 再看了一次真的兩版本都外包 07/28 17:59
→ sxxs: PS4版はオラクル、3DS版はトイロジックが開発協力 07/28 17:59
→ sxxs: 看錯了 是提供DQ10的伺服器廠商 07/28 18:05
推 ocarina2112: 這樣之前說的大作應該就是這個了吧?有3DS版就不用強 07/28 19:48
→ ocarina2112: 強迫自已買一台PS4回來了 07/28 19:49
→ ocarina2112: 是要多買台主機回來放,今天看到這新聞就太開心了~ 07/28 19:53
推 sxxs: 的確一堆風向說DQ只有家機不會是掌機 07/28 20:02
推 carotyao: PS4版可以跳欸 對我來說RPG可以跳很重要XDDDDDDDD 07/28 20:03
推 sxxs: DQ11 07/28 20:04
→ demonOoO: 剛無聊查一下 原來明年同時是薩爾達、勇者鬥惡龍30周年! 07/28 20:05
→ demonOoO: 之前4.25謠傳NX主機可能發售作品 已達成勇者鬥惡龍了XD 07/28 20:06
→ demonOoO: 當時大家對片單還罵得要命 看來不是不可能了@@ 07/28 20:08
推 hasebe: DQ外包是傳統啊,ENIX本業是出版社 07/28 20:10
推 ericyi: 選單戰鬥可不可以跳其實沒差吧XD 07/28 20:11
→ carotyao: 怎麼會沒差 XBX也是選單戰鬥阿 可以跳就很爽... 07/28 20:12
推 zerosaviour: 老實說雖然大家嫌9代不夠好,但可以在掌機上玩到內容 07/28 20:12
→ zerosaviour: 那麼豐富的本傳作品,真的很棒,我還是買3ds之後跑去 07/28 20:12
→ zerosaviour: 買二手的 07/28 20:12
→ carotyao: 有沒有走位而已XD 07/28 20:12
推 bestadi: NX到底是什麼...0台銷量SE肯賭!? 有沒有可能真是手機!? 07/28 20:20
→ myptt1025: NintendoXhone? 07/28 20:22
推 carotyao: 也不算賭(?) 反正PS4也要出 07/28 20:24
推 johnnyjaiu: WiiU GG,DQ這大作都沒得玩... 07/28 20:38
→ ShenMue: 3DS明年3月就超過五年了,所以NX計畫裡面一定有新一代掌 07/28 20:59
→ ShenMue: 機。不可能一直拖著。然後掌機這一塊老任從來沒當過第二 07/28 21:00
→ ShenMue: 所以敢先出吧. 07/28 21:00
→ ShenMue: 要買掌機我建議買NX版本,可能會是PS4版降一些移植+3DS 07/28 21:01
→ ShenMue: 的點陣圖特色(個人推斷) 07/28 21:02
推 kopune: 沒有[買!都買!都可以買!]的選項嗎? 07/28 21:11
推 ARX888: 我建議不要用神仙報夢來建議別人 07/28 21:11
→ windfeather: 連NX是掌機或家機都還沒人能保證,畫面/發售日也未知 07/28 21:16
→ windfeather: 想玩掌機版還是買3DS版比較實在。說真的3DS版畫面 07/28 21:17
→ windfeather: 雖然輸,但呈現的風味與風格倒還更有DQ系列的傳統風 07/28 21:18
推 bibbosb4: NX是啥東西根本不知道吧 07/28 21:18
→ windfeather: 我覺得以性能和遊玩定位來看,兩版本看起來各有千秋 07/28 21:18
推 ShenMue: 具體一點說明的話 我猜測NX就是3DS的上螢幕換成類似PS4 07/28 21:21
→ ShenMue: 版DQ11的畫面 同樣具有3DS的特色 07/28 21:21
→ ShenMue: NX計畫一定有掌機這一塊 難道3DS還想再戰三年? 07/28 21:22
推 bestadi: 不過3DS光靠DQ11加持確定點上續命燈了吧!? 又加1-UP www 07/28 21:24
推 ARX888: 說不定還有一個MX計畫啥的for掌機 07/28 21:25
→ ShenMue: 看老任財報預測就知道了 3DS未來一年銷售預測大不如前 07/28 21:25
→ ShenMue: 不可能到2017才出新掌機,除非老任覺得掌機不賺也可以 07/28 21:26
推 ARX888: 就算有也沒人規定一定要現在跟你講 07/28 21:31
推 zelsatan: 整天跑來任版預測未來到底是想幹嘛@@有這麼想刷存在感嗎 07/28 21:40
→ zelsatan: … 07/28 21:40
推 jckim: 應該會先救家機, 掌機雖然衰退, 但沒太糟, 也還有三廠支援 07/28 21:57
→ jckim: 家機不只銷量差, 也幾乎只剩本家, 已經不是續命的問題了 07/28 21:57
→ jckim: 我覺得NX計畫應該是來救援家機市場的 07/28 22:04
推 Okadaneko: 因為莎木是索皮任骨,真心只愛老任一家所以不停關心XD 07/28 22:12
推 cash35: 莎木的預測有準過嗎... 07/28 22:12
→ murkangel: 是覺得掌機暫時沒太大的跳躍空間 應該短期不會有新機吧 07/28 22:12
→ murkangel: 除非有明顯跳躍式的進步以及與他品牌明顯區隔才會出 07/28 22:13
→ cash35: 話說PS3好像玩不到任何一款PS本傳 日本千萬台做白工.... 07/28 22:13
推 dragoni: 怎麼覺得3DS一卡吃兩風格比較賺 XDDD 事件演出要看哪啦 07/28 22:13
→ murkangel: 而且第三季後任應該會忙在新上線的會員系統整合問題... 07/28 22:14
→ cash35: 掌機現在要跳耀的話 要先把手機幹掉 手機運算進步之快 07/28 22:14
→ murkangel: 搞定後才會處理新硬體吧? 07/28 22:15
→ cash35: SE本社製作HD遊戲的事蹟還蠻慘烈的 PS4末期生的出來嗎 07/28 22:15
→ murkangel: 跳躍不一定在效能 主要是要有新概念 這是任專長的東西 07/28 22:16
→ cash35: 今天HD部分連戰鬥畫面無法展示外 連爬樓梯都很陽春 07/28 22:16
→ cash35: DQ11 HD版外包給monolith搞不好有機會如期完成 07/28 22:17
→ murkangel: 其實比較在意的是岩田兄上任後明顯在創新風格的承續... 07/28 22:19
推 cash35: 總之今天展示的HD部分 比較像是趕工出來 07/28 22:19
→ murkangel: 希望換了社長不要捨棄這特色 07/28 22:20
※ 編輯: chinhsi (124.109.119.108), 07/28/2015 22:24:26 推 Okadaneko: 堀井今天親自展示的是3DS版,正統DQ11在哪裡很清楚了啊 07/28 22:24
→ Okadaneko: 而且只有3DS版的表現方式看起來才符合副標題的意思 07/28 22:25
推 Okadaneko: HD版完成度看起來遠不如3DS版 可能會延續大亂鬥模式 07/28 22:29
→ Okadaneko: 先賣3DS版確保DQ應有銷售量 PS4版延後直接海外同步上 07/28 22:30
→ chinhsi: 個人直覺 3DS版有機會改在明年5/27前出 PS4有可能延期 07/28 22:30
推 cash35: 這樣PS4版可能會走FF13vs 或二之國模式耶.... 07/28 22:30
→ chinhsi: 趕 07/28 22:30
→ Okadaneko: 因為依照現狀PS4遊戲國內要破50萬都有極高難度 07/28 22:31
→ murkangel: 不過兩版在不同系的主機上 不一起推出會不會炎上呀 XD 07/28 22:31
→ cash35: PS4版最樂觀的狀況 是跟NX一起明年底出 07/28 22:32
→ Okadaneko: 3DS版應該是挑在財報決算3/31前出 彌補缺少FF的銷售量 07/28 22:32
→ Okadaneko: 畢竟FF零式HD完全沒辦法補上原本FF正傳的營收 07/28 22:33
→ carotyao: PS4應該至少有70萬保証吧我猜 3DS應該150起跳? 07/28 22:35
推 Okadaneko: 樓上 PS4銷售目前第一遊戲也不過32萬而已... 07/28 22:37
→ chinhsi: 明年PS4約220萬裝機量 70萬 會不會太樂觀 07/28 22:37
→ Okadaneko: 3DS推估至少要300萬片(妖錶規模 07/28 22:37
→ cash35: 我剛剛才發現PS4裝機量不到200萬台.... 07/28 22:38
→ chinhsi: 3DS喔 有DQ9 8成銷量就很不錯了吧 07/28 22:38
→ Okadaneko: 打出PS4牌本來就是為了海外跟方便跨平台用(NX跟PC等 07/28 22:38
→ Okadaneko: 本島的人一天到晚都自以為PS4在日本賣破千萬了 07/28 22:39
→ cash35: 3DS的動森累積400萬套 其實不會輸NDS 07/28 22:39
→ cash35: 我是覺得買PS4還是期待洋game和remastered就好 玩不完 07/28 22:40
→ Okadaneko: 3DS版的DQ11目標數字應該至少是300萬起跳(至少不輸妖錶 07/28 22:41
→ cash35: DQ11要達到以往的銷售 的確要靠3DS 然後PS4拚一點海外銷量 07/28 22:42
→ murkangel: 現在日廠出的東西都觀望一下的好... 07/28 22:42
推 carotyao: 黑暗龍與世界樹這種外傳都能推到32萬片了 07/28 22:42
→ cash35: 日廠出掌機還是蠻穩的.... 07/28 22:43
→ carotyao: 本傳明年底 推個70萬不算樂觀吧 07/28 22:43
→ chinhsi: 本島的人連PS4還沒賣贏WiiU都不知道吧 07/28 22:43
推 Okadaneko: SCE在日本花了超多行銷預算瘋狂推DQH PS4版 07/28 22:44
→ Okadaneko: 拼命推也才只有32萬...滿辛苦的 07/28 22:45
→ Okadaneko: 幸好PS3跟亞洲版也很爭氣所以累計有破百萬 07/28 22:45
推 carotyao: DQ11他們只會推更大而已 連蝙蝠俠前幾天都撲天蓋地了 07/28 22:45
→ carotyao: 蝙蝠俠那待遇 XBX看到大概會想哭「我難道是後母生的!?」 07/28 22:46
推 Okadaneko: DQ11推很大是好事啊 至少兩邊都出對粉絲來說是雙贏 07/28 22:48
推 carotyao: 我大概兩個版本都買吧 喜歡3DS的下畫面.. 07/28 22:48
→ carotyao: 但是PS4版能跳這時代的RPG跳很重要(很重要要說很多次) 07/28 22:48
→ Okadaneko: 3DS的2D+3D讓懷古廚痛哭流涕 這應該可以喚回不少銷量 07/28 22:49
→ Okadaneko: PS4 HD版有點過份像DQH了...其實反而有點不是很像DQ XD 07/28 22:49
→ Okadaneko: 我是很喜歡DQH啦...但是滿多老粉絲不太喜歡3D的DQ 07/28 22:51
→ peacemaker1: 要是有擦身或面連的話,3ds版應該會賣翻吧 07/28 22:51
→ chinhsi: 擦身應該有,DQ4-7,9都有擦身 07/28 22:57
→ cash35: 不知為啥PS4版的鏡頭配置 讓我想到XB 07/28 22:57
→ chinhsi: DQ9也有面連,11有機會 07/28 22:57
→ cash35: 不過PS4版場景真的很漂亮 相較之下人物模組跟場景不太搭 07/28 22:58
推 WOODOM: 只有3DS沒PS4,能玩到太好了,可是PS4畫面真的好漂亮.... 07/28 23:03
→ WOODOM: 能用那麼精美的世界下進行DQ 感覺真美好qq 07/28 23:04
推 virus2007: 看PS4版的還以為在看刺客教條勒.... 07/28 23:06
推 cash35: 像刺客教條 結果連爬樓梯、走繩索動作都沒做.... 07/28 23:10
推 ericyi: PS4版應該還很久 看外包公司網站 今天消息一放就立刻釋出 07/28 23:13
→ ericyi: 徵才消息 應該不會比隔壁棚(?)難產的15代快出吧 07/28 23:15
推 Giovani: 理想來說應該兩版同步 二之國就是兩版分開雙輸 07/28 23:18
推 cash35: 希望PS4版本如期完工 不要拖累3DS版(?) 07/28 23:18
→ cash35: 二之國就算兩版同步也會雙輸的 商品力本身就不強 07/28 23:19
→ cash35: 難不成同時出PS3玩家就能接受那個風格和戰鬥嗎?? 07/28 23:20
推 MCshirokuma: 二之國ps3版滿好玩的 只是賣很爛而已XD 07/28 23:34
推 ARX888: 有機會二版同步啊 NX和PS4 07/28 23:37
推 Giovani: 二之國海外有破百萬,日本市場任系外 大都得衝首週首月 07/28 23:57
→ Giovani: DQ11又是同劇本,落差幾個月 3DS版早就流通個三四手 07/28 23:58
推 hitsukix: PS4那DQ畫面還好吧..光人臉模組比它精致的就不知多少了 07/28 23:58
→ MCshirokuma: 不用比別的 DQH畫面就目前看起來就好過DQ11了 07/29 00:05
推 sxxs: 用搖桿遇敵是3D,用十字鍵遇敵是2D 07/29 00:12
→ ShenMue: 二之國PS3在歐美賣了快100萬 最後雙版本賣170萬 很不錯了 07/29 00:15
→ ShenMue: 然後提供一下數據,FF本傳可以達到主機初期的40~50%銷售 07/29 00:16
推 hitsukix: 當初為了二之國買PS3,結果一直沒有玩XD 07/29 00:17
推 mildlymelody: 只能說莎木猜得不錯,但跟事實有點遠。 07/29 00:17
→ ShenMue: 例如FF13 當時主機400萬台,開出180多萬銷量 07/29 00:17
推 KaoBi24: 堀井今天親自展示的是3DS版 難道PS4版不是堀井親自展示? 07/29 00:18
→ ShenMue: 然後今天,掘井一開始就操作PS4版,PS4主角後來有走繩索 07/29 00:19
→ ShenMue: 有看完全程發表會就會知道這些細節. 07/29 00:21
→ ShenMue: 以日本市場而言二之國雙版本也到了70萬左右,已經有tales 07/29 00:39
→ ShenMue: 系列的高峰期水準,新ip有此表現也算不上雙輸吧。 07/29 00:40
→ ShenMue: 我記得當年的情況是 沒人知道會出在PS3上面 畫面重製 07/29 00:43
→ ShenMue: 然後 DS 版賣了60萬套 等於是想買的大概都買了 後來才公 07/29 00:44
→ ShenMue: 佈有做 PS3 版。約一年後PS3畫面remake 但日本只賣十幾萬 07/29 00:45
→ ShenMue: 看來畫面remake這一招對於新ip不見得管用吧.至於PS4 DQ11 07/29 00:46
→ ShenMue: 畢竟這個招牌太大,所以用重製這一招效果應該會比較好. 07/29 00:47
推 Okadaneko: 莎木大幾時又變成DQ粉了 怎麼都不知道呵呵呵 07/29 01:05
推 peacemaker1: 二之國發售沒多久日本就跌到2000不到 07/29 01:14
推 chris38c28: 我有看過說二之國會跌是因為 綁大量魔法書+大量出貨? 07/29 01:18
推 recx: 這種奇妙的跨法 在地圖跟戰鬥上幾乎都要重搞吧? 07/29 01:25
→ recx: 不過想想工作量或許沒想像中的大 大概就很操美術而已 07/29 01:25
推 peacemaker1: 我印象中是一開始就有說要出雙版本,剛查一下2010tgs 07/29 01:26
→ peacemaker1: 就有ps3版試玩,所以絕不是nds出之後才公布 07/29 01:26
→ peacemaker1: nds出之前日野好像有說目標百萬,大量出貨馬上就爆跌 07/29 01:27
→ peacemaker1: 到死 07/29 01:27
推 peacemaker1: 話說今天下午推特關鍵字dq11、3ds、nx,ps4反而還比 07/29 01:36
→ peacemaker1: 較少人推XD 07/29 01:36
→ peacemaker1: 前幾名 07/29 01:36
推 boluo888: 昨天發表會直接就說ps4版會登陸nx,那麼就說明nx是主機 07/29 02:16
→ boluo888: 而不是掌機,目前掌機是帶不動ps4版的畫面的,早先amd 07/29 02:16
→ boluo888: 第2季度財報透露大規模soc訂單,很有可能就是nx的apu, 07/29 02:16
→ boluo888: 而且是14納米的工藝 07/29 02:16
→ ShenMue: 有講到這一句嗎 PS4 > NX?我沒聽到 有連結嗎? 07/29 02:24
→ ShenMue: 還有能跑unreal4 拉低解析度 砍特效 總有辦法移植吧. 07/29 02:26
→ ShenMue: 二之國那個真的是我記錯了,PS3版是有先公佈沒錯。然而, 07/29 02:27
→ ShenMue: 當年DS版首發17萬片,消化率三成,看起來NDS版銷量有相當 07/29 02:28
→ ShenMue: 程度是低價促銷才得來的。想買的人大概也嘗試過了,所以 07/29 02:30
→ ShenMue: 後來PS3 remake 也沒賣多好;這個ip的強度就只有這樣。 07/29 02:32
推 bben900911: PS4大家都有預期吧,反倒是沒想到第一個說會在NX 07/29 02:53
→ bben900911: 的遊戲竟然是DQ11... 07/29 02:53
→ WiLLSTW: 老湖人粉 4ni!? 07/29 03:07
→ WiLLSTW: 還有沙木你在PS版的那篇文忘了列 FF7 returns(非reFF7) 07/29 03:08
→ WiLLSTW: 不夠專業喔 07/29 03:08
推 cash35: 莎木記錯的東西可真多啊 07/29 07:27
推 justicem: 看沙木撰文真的很有趣 我認真的 07/29 09:24
→ justicem: 繼續活在自己的幻想世界吧 07/29 09:25
推 hasebe: 明顯就怕PS4版改太多,日本失守、歐美打不進,才有保守3DS 07/29 09:25
→ hasebe: 啊 07/29 09:25
→ hasebe: 歐美評價不差的話,PC版應該也會有,X1搞不好也有機會 07/29 09:26
→ hasebe: NX也跨,就代表DQ以後傾向全平台,這樣才對嘛 07/29 09:27
→ hasebe: 都什麼時代了,一堆日本三廠還在那邊主機情節搞獨占 07/29 09:28
推 zardbz: 其實也不用一直酸,PS系有就算賺到了,畢竟很久沒出主系列了 07/29 11:17
→ zardbz: 尤其PS4快變成JRPG迷必備機了,每出一款還可以偷期待中文化 07/29 11:19
→ zardbz: NX我個人覺得偏向是据置+攜帶兩用的,而且性能會方便跨平台 07/29 11:22
→ zardbz: 老任之前也提過WiiU最大失敗點之一就是三廠不好跨平台 07/29 11:23
→ hasebe: 沒X86 Base太吃虧,日本就算了,歐美大餅吃不到 07/29 11:25
→ zardbz: 遊戲量上比對手少太多,這次應該會想辦法避免 07/29 11:25
→ hasebe: PS4的JRPG一堆預定而已吧XD,真的出來應該中後期了 07/29 11:26
推 zardbz: 預定總比沒有好xd光這兩年至少SO,TO,P5一定有,DQ都有可能 07/29 11:29
→ zardbz: 多想一點,甚至以上幾款都可能有中文化 07/29 11:30
推 lupin3rd: DQ11目標明年發售 我猜2017才上 這樣PS4才有500萬(日) 07/29 11:31
→ zardbz: 而DQ11個人覺得一定會中文化,不管文字量多少,頂多較晚出 07/29 11:32
→ zardbz: SE之前財報就目標推海外了.既然推海外,JRPG的最大海外市場 07/29 11:34
→ zardbz: 當然不會放過,而sony中文化中心也提過希望有天能中文化DQ 07/29 11:36
→ zardbz: 於情於理於商,中文化都是必然選項,而DQH也試過水溫了 07/29 11:37
推 lupin3rd: 根據vgchartz的數據推測 DQ8&DQ9歐美大約落在120萬左右 07/29 11:39
→ lupin3rd: DQ11如果歐美賣超過150萬 就算成功了 07/29 11:39
推 hasebe: 因為JRPG其實衰退很快,SE想打海外很正常 07/29 11:47
→ hasebe: 但SQ想打海外又愛貼SONY獨占,我就搞不懂了XD 07/29 11:47
推 lupin3rd: 考量到DQH亞洲大賣24萬套 中國遊戲機解禁等等因素 07/29 11:51
→ lupin3rd: SQ說的打"海外"市場 應該有包含亞洲 不再是傳統的歐美 07/29 11:52
→ lupin3rd: SONY這幾年深耕亞洲市場也算有成了 所以SQ這樣也不意外 07/29 11:53
→ murkangel: 跨NX那記畫我覺得看看就好了 主機沒太多資訊 在加上有 07/29 12:00
→ murkangel: 可能預定計劃突然消失...先看看確定會出的版本實際 07/29 12:01
推 tom11725: 敢在這種場合就講出來應該也有知會過任天堂了吧 07/29 12:13
→ tom11725: 搞不好SE手上已經有NX的開發機了也說不一定 07/29 12:13
→ murkangel: 因為SE的"計劃"...不是100%能相信...當然有出是很好啦 07/29 12:16
推 lupin3rd: DQ有堀井老大還在的一天 我覺得樓上不需太過擔心XD 07/29 12:20
推 hasebe: SQ猜不透,ENIX比較有誠信XD 07/29 12:30
→ mildlymelody: NX平台不用擔心,與其這個不如擔心DQ11能否如期推出 07/29 12:56
→ hitsukix: dq必延期不是也是傳統之一嗎XD 07/29 13:30
→ chinhsi: PS4版延期可能性不小 07/29 13:49
推 Kaken: 以銷售來說最高的是9代沒問題吧 07/29 13:51
→ Okadaneko: 歷代的銷售數字 DS版的DQ9是最高沒有問題 07/29 13:56
推 lupin3rd: DQ10竟然賣了100萬片 以online game來看非常可怕 07/29 14:00
推 OROCHI97: 看到那數字我明白為什麼要放眼國際市場了... 07/29 14:34
→ OROCHI97: 全系列累積6400萬套,洋GAME如GTA5一代就破五千萬 07/29 14:35
→ OROCHI97: COD、刺客系列破千萬司空見慣,甚至運動遊戲年貨破500也 07/29 14:36
→ OROCHI97: 是基本... 07/29 14:36
推 OROCHI97: 我要是SE,看到我家扛霸子只賣這樣一定很吃味,一定想 07/29 14:38
→ OROCHI97: 賺老外的$$的 07/29 14:38
推 hasebe: 因為歐美市場大,賣100萬相當於日本10萬級,以前就這樣了 07/29 14:41
推 hasebe: 但是風格差很多,歐美開發規格也相對高 07/29 14:43
→ hasebe: PS3就討論到爛了,現在日廠手機為主只是驗證而已 07/29 14:44
推 lupin3rd: DQ11如果海外要賣500萬片 首先那個UI要改得更人性化一些 07/29 14:47
→ lupin3rd: 吃個藥草還要開三層視窗 很多WRPG玩家應該很難接受XDD 07/29 14:48
→ lupin3rd: 但是改掉就失去DQ的醍醐味了 07/29 14:50
→ mrmowmow: 要買國外一定要改成開放世界 07/29 14:55
推 hasebe: 不一定啦,流行不一定要照做 07/29 14:56
→ hasebe: 不過以MH和二之國經驗來看,前途勘慮是真的XD 07/29 14:57
→ hasebe: 有具體情報才能後繼討論,至少3DS版就是個保險 07/29 14:57
推 recx: 你沒足夠的資源的話去搞沙盒也不一定好玩... 07/29 17:38
→ deathslime: DQ5當年把調查指令改成X便利鍵時雜誌還拿來說嘴 07/29 18:15
→ deathslime: 還有老歪會在Twitch上直播DQ8的RTA PLAY 07/29 18:17
推 bestadi: DQ可能比仙O六更情懷吧 wwwwwwww 07/29 20:22
→ murkangel: 仙O只有1做HD移植才比較有可能勾起多數人回憶吧? 07/29 20:53
→ deathslime: 別忘了最早期DQ9發表,改成ARPG被罵死,又改回來的事情 07/29 21:56
→ murkangel: SE想做ARPG就拜託把聖劍復活吧... 07/29 22:29
→ deathslime: DS上的聖劍,一個是KUSO GAME一個是RTS... 07/29 22:52
→ chinhsi: 聖劍的開發小組好像在老任這 07/29 22:54
推 bibbosb4: Brownie Brown(現改名1-UP Studio) 07/29 23:00
推 bibbosb4: 不過部分老班底又出去另開Brownies(開發奇幻生活LINK) 07/29 23:02
→ murkangel: 難怪奇幻生活有聖劍的感覺... 07/29 23:34
推 cash35: 像GTA5這種製作規模和銷量 全世界數來也沒幾款 07/30 01:07
推 hasebe: GTA5、COD也是通跨+高規格,大手筆付出才能這樣賣XD 07/30 08:22
→ hasebe: 所以SQ與其說想攻歐美,目前策略比較像想吃亞洲 07/30 08:23
推 cash35: 逆向思考的話 DQ做成GTA5這種沙盒規模 歐美會買單嗎 07/30 08:31
→ cash35: 不過JRPG的瓶頸其實不是規模 而是風格、形式、流程 07/30 08:32
→ cash35: DQ要往XB或FF15的方向進化 搞不好兩面不討好 傳統DQ迷可能 07/30 08:33
→ cash35: 罵這不是DQ 然後歐美市場照樣不買單....兩頭空 07/30 08:34
推 lupin3rd: 至少3DS的部分不用擔心 只是監督不是堀井 惡趣味不再?XD 07/30 08:37
→ lupin3rd: 目前日廠做出沙盒的只有任天堂 SQ雖然也有...但看看FF15 07/30 08:39
推 hasebe: 所以這策略很二之國啊XD,最差是奶粉錢沒做好,改革沒人愛 07/30 08:43
→ hasebe: 日廠想攻世界市場又死守一台主機,這政策本來就很詭異 07/30 08:44
→ hasebe: ENIX好歹跨了不知何時出的NX,老史我還是猜不透XD 07/30 08:45
→ hasebe: 老史甚至於連奶粉錢都不會賺,上手機燒招牌 07/30 08:46
推 lupin3rd: 我猜SQ製作人可能比較熟悉索系硬體架構和開發環境 07/30 08:48
→ lupin3rd: 要不然就是個人喜好因素 像某小島製作人也不來賺奶粉錢 07/30 08:49
推 hasebe: 本來有品質銷量兼具的BDFF、美麗新世界 07/30 08:51
→ hasebe: 被老史自己玩壞了,所以我才說它跟KONAMI幾乎沒兩樣 07/30 08:52
→ hasebe: 保母拼命稿爛(BDFF、實況野球WE),有主機偏好大作燒公司(F 07/30 08:53
→ hasebe: F、MGS) 07/30 08:53
→ hasebe: 然後一堆老招牌遺忘,重心早放在手機上了 07/30 08:53
推 lupin3rd: 是說SQ遊戲的主機拉抬效應也弱了 MH和妖表可能還比較強 07/30 08:54
→ hasebe: 玩弄招牌的結果,宣傳期拉很長,品質不穩 07/30 08:57
推 lupin3rd: 離題一下 Q1財報數據 WiiU達成1000萬台 NX如果有互換性 07/30 08:58
→ hasebe: 手機拼命燒招牌,加強版出太多,DQ其實也開始有這傾向 07/30 08:58
→ lupin3rd: 說不定WiiU也玩得到DQ11 07/30 08:58
推 hasebe: NX謎題太多了XD 07/30 09:01
推 lupin3rd: 日廠們可能都以為自己是LV5日野上身 招牌怎麼燒怎麼賺 07/30 09:04
→ lupin3rd: 孰不知日野本身就是行銷高手 07/30 09:04
推 hasebe: 日野就是用完即丟XD,但很多常青樹也被他砍去燒柴了 07/30 09:06
→ hasebe: 可是他種樹和賣木材能力點滿XDDD 07/30 09:06
→ murkangel: 等出了再看看吧 現在日系的東西...(遠目) 07/30 10:21
推 ShenMue: DQ海外算是八代才開始有規模的。對他們來說"傳統DQ"其實 07/30 20:32
→ ShenMue: 反而像是八代那種風格。 07/30 20:32
→ ShenMue: 然後為啥SE會偏PS4?因為日系RPG在上一代就是PS3賣最多, 07/30 20:33
→ ShenMue: 即使在北美市場FF13還是以PS3版為多數(PS3當時落後360) 07/30 20:33
→ ShenMue: 換言之海外的JRPG還是以PS系為大宗,至於現在PS4更加強勢 07/30 20:34
→ ShenMue: JRPG銷量可能集中在PS4上面,所以海外出片也偏向PS4。 07/30 20:35
→ ShenMue: 當然AAA大成本的遊戲 其實還是會跨平台(FFXV FF7remake) 07/30 20:36
→ hasebe: ENIX偏索還好,SQ偏索動作比較像打亞洲區,不是歐美 07/31 00:03
→ murkangel: 不過最近的JRPG多少有點機會上STEAM了...選擇又多了種 07/31 02:17
推 ARX888: FFXV reFFVII KH3 甚至DQXI 我看都有可能上steam 07/31 10:48
→ murkangel: 高成本遊戲確實多跨幾平台較易回本 07/31 12:14
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