BZ說7.2橘裝會有更多新玩法 - WOW
By Hardy
at 2017-02-08T01:04
at 2017-02-08T01:04
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※ 引述《SQUAD12345 (QQ)》之銘言:
: 我認同橘裝有問題,也覺得該改,
: 但是我覺得因為要靠運氣就算被剝屑,
: 這論點真的無法接受,
: 現在什麼裝備都是宅一點就有,
這論調有點怪,扣除橘裝還是有很多裝備就是打不到
有人打十次卡拉還是沒看見過紅寶石飾品?至於他有沒有用骰子就不清楚。
我同意現在收裝很快,但裝等高跟拿到想要的裝備是兩件事情。
(更何況拿了五橘都非核心,放包包的虛胖裝等...科科)
: 其實我覺得反而失去這類遊戲的魅力,
: 遊戲的一大本質本來就是炫耀,
: 過去打到神裝都可以在主堡掛機,
: 讓一堆人在旁邊膜拜,
: 當初我打到講師劍,也是一堆人點我看裝備,
: 別說naxx了,一套血牙套裝就濕滿地了,
: 現在呢?
因為以前公會團不好找,有進度的公會不多,穩定又不抓馬的公會更少。
所以你拿到T2套裝會覺得很稀奇,因為紫裝很難湊。
自從導入裝等還有塑型之後,穿甚麼外型都不覺得怪。
現在的話,全身最大的亮點大概剩下坐騎可以炫耀。
: 一個超低階玩家跟超高階玩家看起來都一樣
同樣T19,隨團跟M的外型一樣,內容物天差地遠...
: 以前玩天堂,
: 我因為不爽玩了結果拿武捲亂點,
: 點出全伺服第一支+9尤米,
: 全身廢裝拿一隻+9尤米,
: 到處點人交易給人聞香,
: 誰說一定要實力+努力=裝備?
: 這類遊戲的本質本來就不是完全平等,
: 有運氣有高下才會好玩,
: 每個人想要都有,這反而讓遊戲失去很多魅力,
我想你誤會了大家對橘裝最根本的抱怨不是"每個人都想要有"
因為以前有BIS,現在仍然有BIS,雖然不見得好弄,農久了總有機會湊到。
現在的問題是橘裝是BIS中的BIS...而且還分等級的 Best of BIS...
沒有人說實力+努力=裝備,
WOW從古自今一直都有不打團的玩家,像是有人就是喜歡操縱市場玩金幣遊戲。
還有人挑戰不解任務滿等、或者是一堆其他的...
但畢竟是少數,大多數還是會需要裝備的。
但橘裝的根本問題就是不該把機制放進去,這太不公平。
: 甚至很多人開始覺得別人打得到我打不到就變成剝屑
: 一個需要花長時間才能體驗的遊戲,
: 卻少了這類的最精華遊戲樂趣,
: 這也是讓很多人afk的原因,
一直打不到核心橘比較讓人想AFK,但因為有很多人就是農性堅強...
所以就又補了點(月)卡,想看看還有沒有機會。
又或者是因為還有朋友在線上想打屁!
(這個版本吸引了好幾個quit 5年以上的朋友回鍋)
這就跟買大樂透一樣...
: 我反而覺得他應該出更稀有又強大的裝備,
不,橘裝如果改成是是僅小幅度影響或特效就夠吸引人了。
就像這個版本的飾品,特效很多樣化,我就覺得很有趣。
但是橘裝特效是?一個可能會影響5-10%甚至20%傷害的BBBBIS?
有橘沒橘差真多...這已經不是強大可以形容了
: 現在的魔獸都不魔獸了,
: 為了讓每個人都可以小爽,
: 卻剝奪有一丁點可以爽到升天的機會
你說的問題還是出在橘裝特效差異性太大。
舉個例子來說,暗牧的橘頭對輸出沒有屁用(有啦,就裝等高)
特效是"吸血鬼擁抱在虛無形態下,治療效果提高250%"
但吸血鬼擁抱並不是一個會加入傷害循環的東西...而且CD長達3分鐘
換言之,如果絕大多數的橘裝是類似這種,那大家會覺得很有趣,反正就是惡搞。
可是,暗牧現在的核心是橘手腕,以同團暗牧(裝等高3)來比。
人家一發虛無劍平均傷害50-60萬,最高還可以破百萬(而且他不是衝精通)
我的虛無劍一發平射就只有30-40萬 (撐高精通到82%跟他拼了)
我自認現在技不如他,但就算有些場合硬是靠配裝跟運氣總傷差不多的情況下。
他的虛無劍造成的傷害,一場戰鬥下來差了一千八百萬...搞屁阿!
這差距要彌補過來,你要期待對方有多少次失誤才追得上?
: 也別說什麼過去的裝備努力出團就有了,
: 我當時打n百次zg,怎樣都打不到無面者之牙,
: DKP滿出來結果要什麼沒什麼,
: 龍牙之刃更是怨念到爆,
: 然後請個假上線就是:
: "ㄟ,你今天怎麼沒來,龍牙出了耶,被個新人拿走,今天都沒賊"
: 甘霖老師當時差點刪角色,
這個跟橘裝本體還是無關...
--
: 我認同橘裝有問題,也覺得該改,
: 但是我覺得因為要靠運氣就算被剝屑,
: 這論點真的無法接受,
: 現在什麼裝備都是宅一點就有,
這論調有點怪,扣除橘裝還是有很多裝備就是打不到
有人打十次卡拉還是沒看見過紅寶石飾品?至於他有沒有用骰子就不清楚。
我同意現在收裝很快,但裝等高跟拿到想要的裝備是兩件事情。
(更何況拿了五橘都非核心,放包包的虛胖裝等...科科)
: 其實我覺得反而失去這類遊戲的魅力,
: 遊戲的一大本質本來就是炫耀,
: 過去打到神裝都可以在主堡掛機,
: 讓一堆人在旁邊膜拜,
: 當初我打到講師劍,也是一堆人點我看裝備,
: 別說naxx了,一套血牙套裝就濕滿地了,
: 現在呢?
因為以前公會團不好找,有進度的公會不多,穩定又不抓馬的公會更少。
所以你拿到T2套裝會覺得很稀奇,因為紫裝很難湊。
自從導入裝等還有塑型之後,穿甚麼外型都不覺得怪。
現在的話,全身最大的亮點大概剩下坐騎可以炫耀。
: 一個超低階玩家跟超高階玩家看起來都一樣
同樣T19,隨團跟M的外型一樣,內容物天差地遠...
: 以前玩天堂,
: 我因為不爽玩了結果拿武捲亂點,
: 點出全伺服第一支+9尤米,
: 全身廢裝拿一隻+9尤米,
: 到處點人交易給人聞香,
: 誰說一定要實力+努力=裝備?
: 這類遊戲的本質本來就不是完全平等,
: 有運氣有高下才會好玩,
: 每個人想要都有,這反而讓遊戲失去很多魅力,
我想你誤會了大家對橘裝最根本的抱怨不是"每個人都想要有"
因為以前有BIS,現在仍然有BIS,雖然不見得好弄,農久了總有機會湊到。
現在的問題是橘裝是BIS中的BIS...而且還分等級的 Best of BIS...
沒有人說實力+努力=裝備,
WOW從古自今一直都有不打團的玩家,像是有人就是喜歡操縱市場玩金幣遊戲。
還有人挑戰不解任務滿等、或者是一堆其他的...
但畢竟是少數,大多數還是會需要裝備的。
但橘裝的根本問題就是不該把機制放進去,這太不公平。
: 甚至很多人開始覺得別人打得到我打不到就變成剝屑
: 一個需要花長時間才能體驗的遊戲,
: 卻少了這類的最精華遊戲樂趣,
: 這也是讓很多人afk的原因,
一直打不到核心橘比較讓人想AFK,但因為有很多人就是農性堅強...
所以就又補了點(月)卡,想看看還有沒有機會。
又或者是因為還有朋友在線上想打屁!
(這個版本吸引了好幾個quit 5年以上的朋友回鍋)
這就跟買大樂透一樣...
: 我反而覺得他應該出更稀有又強大的裝備,
不,橘裝如果改成是是僅小幅度影響或特效就夠吸引人了。
就像這個版本的飾品,特效很多樣化,我就覺得很有趣。
但是橘裝特效是?一個可能會影響5-10%甚至20%傷害的BBBBIS?
有橘沒橘差真多...這已經不是強大可以形容了
: 現在的魔獸都不魔獸了,
: 為了讓每個人都可以小爽,
: 卻剝奪有一丁點可以爽到升天的機會
你說的問題還是出在橘裝特效差異性太大。
舉個例子來說,暗牧的橘頭對輸出沒有屁用(有啦,就裝等高)
特效是"吸血鬼擁抱在虛無形態下,治療效果提高250%"
但吸血鬼擁抱並不是一個會加入傷害循環的東西...而且CD長達3分鐘
換言之,如果絕大多數的橘裝是類似這種,那大家會覺得很有趣,反正就是惡搞。
可是,暗牧現在的核心是橘手腕,以同團暗牧(裝等高3)來比。
人家一發虛無劍平均傷害50-60萬,最高還可以破百萬(而且他不是衝精通)
我的虛無劍一發平射就只有30-40萬 (撐高精通到82%跟他拼了)
我自認現在技不如他,但就算有些場合硬是靠配裝跟運氣總傷差不多的情況下。
他的虛無劍造成的傷害,一場戰鬥下來差了一千八百萬...搞屁阿!
這差距要彌補過來,你要期待對方有多少次失誤才追得上?
: 也別說什麼過去的裝備努力出團就有了,
: 我當時打n百次zg,怎樣都打不到無面者之牙,
: DKP滿出來結果要什麼沒什麼,
: 龍牙之刃更是怨念到爆,
: 然後請個假上線就是:
: "ㄟ,你今天怎麼沒來,龍牙出了耶,被個新人拿走,今天都沒賊"
: 甘霖老師當時差點刪角色,
這個跟橘裝本體還是無關...
--
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