BZ:我們已經討論好要送誰進手術房 - WOW

By Belly
at 2015-01-23T16:25
at 2015-01-23T16:25
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噓 sniper2824: 你他O還不BUFF貓D 01/23 14:04
推 smallfei79: 貓D除了AOE很像用肉掌再萌外 單體還不錯吧 01/23 14:10
→ dioxin125: 貓D還要buff 底下還有一狗票都想求buff吧 01/23 14:19
→ dioxin125: 貓D現在要的應該只是減少一下debuff監控,就會好上手 01/23 14:19
推 iamOsaka: 貓D單體很威阿 ... A 01/23 14:23
推 sniper2824: 你打到m你就知道貓d在哪裡了 01/23 14:31
→ sniper2824: 要單體沒單體 多目標沒多目標 ae還輸人 怎麼玩 01/23 14:31
→ sniper2824: 660階段在前面沒錯 問題是670 680呢O_Q 01/23 14:32
推 smallfei79: 反正後面還有一票人(?) 01/23 14:33
→ sniper2824: ..也沒一票了 只剩幾個.. 01/23 14:33
純粹抗議這一版對貓d的設計不良
我認為這一版貓d,不,是對德魯伊的定位不良
以下為主玩熊與貓的玩家的血淚控訴
德魯伊的定位是甚麼
在過去有人說是吉祥物,有人說是塞沒人要的職業裝,
有人說是啟動與戰鬥復活,有人說是寧靜救急
總之
很少聽到德魯伊群要的是傷害排名第一個
為什麼?
因為德魯伊當初標榜的就是靈活應變
所以技能都是補洞的, 但是現在都被砍了
有人死了? 復生 一下(現在一堆職業有了)
有人乾了? 啟動 一下(現在技能直接被拔掉)
開場仇恨不足? 荊棘術 一下(現在技能直接被拔掉)
控場破了? 颶風強控一下(只有6秒,最短,其他職業裝雕文也能強控)
需要暫時減傷? 施放樹皮一下(原先可以對人放,現在改成只能對自己
變成限定灰復天賦可以放鐵樹皮術,才能放人)
主坦克死了? 復活後頂一下(現在貓沒有樹皮,變熊還是軟
原先熊有加怒氣技能拔了,沒怒沒辦法開兇蠻)
小怪太多處理一下? (現在熊沒有揮擊,痛擊直接傷害砍50%
係數大砍,貓d現在ae薄弱,只剩鳥d有看頭)
面臨治療危機了?起來寧靜一下(現在只剩恢復天賦有,
或癒合 一下 連帶使得90天賦野性之心等同被削弱)
癒合現在只剩恢復有,
連前一陣子加速buff之時回春還要砍%數
貓部分的苦水
傷害不夠? 貓d的循環是最複雜的,做比別人複雜多倍的循環與監控
然後勉強有別人95%的傷害
別說我亂講,看看天賦與循環,有哪個職業的循環理面是「加入治療技能」?
表面上bz有注意到復合職業
給了貓一招「希瓦拉爾之爪」,無論男女都是一個外型就算了(我希望要改成男女有別)
但是只有5%的臨機應變,「變其他型態都不會做用」
所以你變成熊型態,不會變成「熊人」也沒有5%增傷與2.5%減傷
模組都做好了,不給用就是不給用,如納羅拉克
http://tw.battle.net/wow/zh/zone/zulaman/nalorakk
給了5%的治療能力,卻把短施法時間的癒合拔掉,瞬發的回春又不敷使用
本來90級有新增天賦「野性之心」與「共生」兩個技能,精通加護甲一裝兩穿
讓人以為bz總算會設計德魯伊了
結果100級大砍技能,讓複合職業都不複合了
「野性之心」治療能力從治療手段去砍,
防禦能力從熊技能去砍
遠程法傷沒變,但是貓本身就是傷害職業了,效應本來就不大
「共生」直接拔掉,哈哈你看看你,這叫「複合」職業?
熊的苦水
這版屬性對不能招架的熊非常不友善
雖然新增的雙擊屬性,但對熊相對來比效益差
精通重新設計後,熊變得非常之軟
又將重鑄與迴避屬性砍掉,但是其他職業招架直接從致命還給你喔 >_^
從 精通加護甲=物理減傷 改為 精通 原始堅毅
精通:原始堅毅是甚麼?
當你被物理攻擊命中時,將會賦予你一個物理吸收護盾,吸收其攻擊傷害量的x%。
被此效果完全或部分吸收的攻擊不會觸發原始堅毅。
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與[空白]的機會
雙擊:你的自動攻擊,技能A與B的傷害觸發雙擊的時候
提高你生命力上限2%,持續25秒(不可控制)
(時間到要還的)
比較一下
死騎 精通:血魄護盾
當你在血魄領域下,用死亡打擊治療自己時,治療量x%轉為可吸收物理傷害的護盾
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
雙擊:自動攻擊增加15點符能
(等同於半發死亡纏繞,每一發死亡纏繞提高3%生命力30秒)
(可控制,控制提高生命BUFF時間,缺血打敵人三連發等同自補9%)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
戰士 精通:致命格檔
使你格檔的機率提高x%,致命格檔的機率提高x%
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
雙擊:自動攻擊3秒內回覆3%血量,可以疊加。
(不可控制)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
武僧 精通:飄渺絕釀
罪仙緩勁的效果提高x%
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
^^^^
感謝frank161616
抱歉修正一下,是給予三層[飄渺絕釀]
給你45%的閃躲,每一層給與1秒
跟熊的比較 60怒氣的兇蠻防禦(CD12秒) +45% 閃躲 6秒
武僧的 1-15層的飄渺絕釀(CD 6秒) +45% 閃躲 1-15秒
熊 每一次致命給與 8怒氣,每致命7.5次就可以施放一次維持 6秒
武僧每一次致命給與 3層 ,每致命 2次就可以施放一次維持 6秒
5次就可以施放一次維持15秒
WTF?不算還不知道差這麼多
雙擊:自動攻擊有10%機會提高25%雙擊
自動攻擊造成雙擊後自動招換只有自己能看到的一個治療玉。
(不可控制,但可以選擇吃的時間)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
聖騎 精通:神勝壁壘
使你的公正之盾傷害減免效果提高x%,榮耀壁壘的效果提高x%,格檔進戰攻擊機會提高x%
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
雙擊:當你受到雙擊的治療的時候,該治療多30%治療量
(不可控制,但是別人的雙擊聖騎也能受益)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
看看上色的字樣
就知道為什麼這一版熊坦大幅度減少,現在熊就是相對軟
也有熊坦還堅持的,但是堅持的其實是補師
這一版設計就是法力會用完,會崩潰的戰鬥
熊給的是別版才會需要的上限,不能選時機點,要還的上限
不當主坦
原先有的複合能力又被砍,真要治療又會OOM,只能裝變身不耗魔雕文
點了天賦:賽那留斯之夢 瞬發也要GCD
根本就應該把100天賦:粉碎 改成全系通用技能,把粉碎改成[熊人型態]算了
結論:
我個人從親友團裡面的主坦變成DD,是輕鬆多了
但是群體傷害完全不行,不是我的問題而是技能係數設定
要討論單體傷害
看看100天賦
點月之鼓舞?恭喜你多一個要監控的DOT
點血爪?別人100級是多傷害天賦或者減CD,為何德魯伊是把90級天賦砍成兩個天賦?
(那砍那麼多技能是砍心酸的?)
而且單體傷害不點血爪就不高
所以
我現在點了賽夢與希瓦拉爾之爪,每次要跑位(如7王)換坦補那一發,勉強救急
但是我認為,BZ還是沒有從月神的鐮刀上面學到該學的
「正義需要力量
而德魯伊也需要」
P.S
月神鐮刀的故事如下:
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/WOW/M.1309256044.A.0A8.html
--
● 日本的驕傲 乒乓球放在上面也不會滾 * 中華民國 很屌嗎,我們台灣
動,馬路就是這麼平! 的驕傲 也可以。
\● / ● /
︱> #1FPWIVQQ (joke) <︱>
● /\ ▄▃▂▄ ▂▄●▃ /\▂▃
███████████████ψ FallRed ██████████████ ● 日本的驕傲 乒乓球放在上面也不會滾 * 中華民國 很屌嗎,我們台灣
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推 smallfei79: 貓D除了AOE很像用肉掌再萌外 單體還不錯吧 01/23 14:10
→ dioxin125: 貓D還要buff 底下還有一狗票都想求buff吧 01/23 14:19
→ dioxin125: 貓D現在要的應該只是減少一下debuff監控,就會好上手 01/23 14:19
推 iamOsaka: 貓D單體很威阿 ... A 01/23 14:23
推 sniper2824: 你打到m你就知道貓d在哪裡了 01/23 14:31
→ sniper2824: 要單體沒單體 多目標沒多目標 ae還輸人 怎麼玩 01/23 14:31
→ sniper2824: 660階段在前面沒錯 問題是670 680呢O_Q 01/23 14:32
推 smallfei79: 反正後面還有一票人(?) 01/23 14:33
→ sniper2824: ..也沒一票了 只剩幾個.. 01/23 14:33
純粹抗議這一版對貓d的設計不良
我認為這一版貓d,不,是對德魯伊的定位不良
以下為主玩熊與貓的玩家的血淚控訴
德魯伊的定位是甚麼
在過去有人說是吉祥物,有人說是塞沒人要的職業裝,
有人說是啟動與戰鬥復活,有人說是寧靜救急
總之
很少聽到德魯伊群要的是傷害排名第一個
為什麼?
因為德魯伊當初標榜的就是靈活應變
所以技能都是補洞的, 但是現在都被砍了
有人死了? 復生 一下(現在一堆職業有了)
有人乾了? 啟動 一下(現在技能直接被拔掉)
開場仇恨不足? 荊棘術 一下(現在技能直接被拔掉)
控場破了? 颶風強控一下(只有6秒,最短,其他職業裝雕文也能強控)
需要暫時減傷? 施放樹皮一下(原先可以對人放,現在改成只能對自己
變成限定灰復天賦可以放鐵樹皮術,才能放人)
主坦克死了? 復活後頂一下(現在貓沒有樹皮,變熊還是軟
原先熊有加怒氣技能拔了,沒怒沒辦法開兇蠻)
小怪太多處理一下? (現在熊沒有揮擊,痛擊直接傷害砍50%
係數大砍,貓d現在ae薄弱,只剩鳥d有看頭)
面臨治療危機了?起來寧靜一下(現在只剩恢復天賦有,
或癒合 一下 連帶使得90天賦野性之心等同被削弱)
癒合現在只剩恢復有,
連前一陣子加速buff之時回春還要砍%數
貓部分的苦水
傷害不夠? 貓d的循環是最複雜的,做比別人複雜多倍的循環與監控
然後勉強有別人95%的傷害
別說我亂講,看看天賦與循環,有哪個職業的循環理面是「加入治療技能」?
表面上bz有注意到復合職業
給了貓一招「希瓦拉爾之爪」,無論男女都是一個外型就算了(我希望要改成男女有別)
但是只有5%的臨機應變,「變其他型態都不會做用」
所以你變成熊型態,不會變成「熊人」也沒有5%增傷與2.5%減傷
模組都做好了,不給用就是不給用,如納羅拉克
http://tw.battle.net/wow/zh/zone/zulaman/nalorakk
給了5%的治療能力,卻把短施法時間的癒合拔掉,瞬發的回春又不敷使用
本來90級有新增天賦「野性之心」與「共生」兩個技能,精通加護甲一裝兩穿
讓人以為bz總算會設計德魯伊了
結果100級大砍技能,讓複合職業都不複合了
「野性之心」治療能力從治療手段去砍,
防禦能力從熊技能去砍
遠程法傷沒變,但是貓本身就是傷害職業了,效應本來就不大
「共生」直接拔掉,哈哈你看看你,這叫「複合」職業?
熊的苦水
這版屬性對不能招架的熊非常不友善
雖然新增的雙擊屬性,但對熊相對來比效益差
精通重新設計後,熊變得非常之軟
又將重鑄與迴避屬性砍掉,但是其他職業招架直接從致命還給你喔 >_^
從 精通加護甲=物理減傷 改為 精通 原始堅毅
精通:原始堅毅是甚麼?
當你被物理攻擊命中時,將會賦予你一個物理吸收護盾,吸收其攻擊傷害量的x%。
被此效果完全或部分吸收的攻擊不會觸發原始堅毅。
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與[空白]的機會
雙擊:你的自動攻擊,技能A與B的傷害觸發雙擊的時候
提高你生命力上限2%,持續25秒(不可控制)
(時間到要還的)
比較一下
死騎 精通:血魄護盾
當你在血魄領域下,用死亡打擊治療自己時,治療量x%轉為可吸收物理傷害的護盾
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
雙擊:自動攻擊增加15點符能
(等同於半發死亡纏繞,每一發死亡纏繞提高3%生命力30秒)
(可控制,控制提高生命BUFF時間,缺血打敵人三連發等同自補9%)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
戰士 精通:致命格檔
使你格檔的機率提高x%,致命格檔的機率提高x%
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
雙擊:自動攻擊3秒內回覆3%血量,可以疊加。
(不可控制)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
武僧 精通:飄渺絕釀
罪仙緩勁的效果提高x%
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
^^^^
感謝frank161616
抱歉修正一下,是給予三層[飄渺絕釀]
給你45%的閃躲,每一層給與1秒
跟熊的比較 60怒氣的兇蠻防禦(CD12秒) +45% 閃躲 6秒
武僧的 1-15層的飄渺絕釀(CD 6秒) +45% 閃躲 1-15秒
熊 每一次致命給與 8怒氣,每致命7.5次就可以施放一次維持 6秒
武僧每一次致命給與 3層 ,每致命 2次就可以施放一次維持 6秒
5次就可以施放一次維持15秒
WTF?不算還不知道差這麼多
雙擊:自動攻擊有10%機會提高25%雙擊
自動攻擊造成雙擊後自動招換只有自己能看到的一個治療玉。
(不可控制,但可以選擇吃的時間)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
聖騎 精通:神勝壁壘
使你的公正之盾傷害減免效果提高x%,榮耀壁壘的效果提高x%,格檔進戰攻擊機會提高x%
[]
同時提高你的攻擊強度x%。
p.s 致命:提高你致命一擊與招架的機會
雙擊:當你受到雙擊的治療的時候,該治療多30%治療量
(不可控制,但是別人的雙擊聖騎也能受益)
(除非卡上限不然不用還)
看看上色的字樣
就知道為什麼這一版熊坦大幅度減少,現在熊就是相對軟
也有熊坦還堅持的,但是堅持的其實是補師
這一版設計就是法力會用完,會崩潰的戰鬥
熊給的是別版才會需要的上限,不能選時機點,要還的上限
不當主坦
原先有的複合能力又被砍,真要治療又會OOM,只能裝變身不耗魔雕文
點了天賦:賽那留斯之夢 瞬發也要GCD
根本就應該把100天賦:粉碎 改成全系通用技能,把粉碎改成[熊人型態]算了
結論:
我個人從親友團裡面的主坦變成DD,是輕鬆多了
但是群體傷害完全不行,不是我的問題而是技能係數設定
要討論單體傷害
看看100天賦
點月之鼓舞?恭喜你多一個要監控的DOT
點血爪?別人100級是多傷害天賦或者減CD,為何德魯伊是把90級天賦砍成兩個天賦?
(那砍那麼多技能是砍心酸的?)
而且單體傷害不點血爪就不高
所以
我現在點了賽夢與希瓦拉爾之爪,每次要跑位(如7王)換坦補那一發,勉強救急
但是我認為,BZ還是沒有從月神的鐮刀上面學到該學的
「正義需要力量
而德魯伊也需要」
P.S
月神鐮刀的故事如下:
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/WOW/M.1309256044.A.0A8.html
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