AlphaGo之父:關於圍棋 人類3000年來犯了錯 - 圍棋
By Bennie
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標題故意下得很引人好奇,內文答案是「人類低估了棋盤中央的重要性」。
不過古人其實早說過「高者在腹(高手重視中央)」,中腹重要的觀念並非沒有。
我想與其說「低估」,不如說中央太難掌握,
所以棋手更願意選擇取實利、著重三四線而不嘗試五線以上。
說穿了,背後的關鍵還是近代圍棋「太過重視勝負」吧。
不能贏的下法大家就不下了,只下套路,每個人的棋都很像,
這在AlphaGo出現之前,其實就有很多人提出了,包括吳清源大師。
武宮正樹的宇宙流後來為什麼沒有人下?
王銘琬的《新棋紀樂園》為什麼大家並不特別推崇?
吳清源大師的《21世紀圍棋》,為什麼大家只供奉在神壇上?
在王立誠、芮迺偉等之後,就鮮少棋手再在賽場上嘗試吳大師新發表的下法了。
原因都是,那樣不能贏棋。
引用一下《21世紀圍棋》裡的話與大家分享:
「拘泥於局部,即使剛開始還不錯,但從全局角度上來看就落後了,
這種事情,如果不以具體的例子來說明的話,又有誰能相信呢。」
「棋子走到低位就會輸棋,一定要有這種認識。必須把眼光投放到寬廣的地方去。」
「20世紀的人們,只考慮自己如何能撈到便宜。這使得圍棋没有了前途。」
的確,很現實很殘酷的一點就是:無法贏,就不受重視,舉世皆然。
很少「人」能拋開勝負,追求那片廣闊未知的價值,不在乎結果。
而吳清源大師就是少數可以不在乎勝負,純粹追求最善的一手的人。
我想在這一點上,吳清源大師真的並沒有落後於AlphaGo。
(雖然AlphaGo不是人,不過可以說是AlphaGo背後的團隊吧,
可以說黃士傑博士與DeepMind團隊就是以另一種方式追求最善的一手)
不過,AlphaGo還是因為能「贏」,所以又得到了大家的重視。
確實也無法不脫離勝負來談圍棋,吳清源大師如果沒有輝煌的戰績,
也不會成為吳清源。
但我想這是一個警醒,獲勝只是表相,只是附加,
重要的是所追求的價值,是內容。
很難,可是就像吳清源大師說的,「必須把眼光投放到寬廣的地方去」。
期待在「能贏」的AlphaGo出現之後,
大家能在圍棋上得到更多(勝負之外)的收穫吧。
五月的大戰即將來臨,真心期待看到AlphaGo與眾高手下出更有意思的內容。
P.S. 雖然不是文章重點,但孔子沒有說過圍棋是四藝(琴棋書畫)之一,
更沒有說過它很重要。琴棋書畫並稱是在唐代以後的事。
孔子只說「不有博弈者乎,為之猶賢乎已」,
意思是下棋的人至少有在用心,比「飽食終日」好而已。
圍棋的地位從「小道」漸漸提升到「四藝之一」,
靠的也是它「藝」的一面,競技勝負的那一面並非儒家觀念所推崇的。
哎,扯遠啦。
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不過古人其實早說過「高者在腹(高手重視中央)」,中腹重要的觀念並非沒有。
我想與其說「低估」,不如說中央太難掌握,
所以棋手更願意選擇取實利、著重三四線而不嘗試五線以上。
說穿了,背後的關鍵還是近代圍棋「太過重視勝負」吧。
不能贏的下法大家就不下了,只下套路,每個人的棋都很像,
這在AlphaGo出現之前,其實就有很多人提出了,包括吳清源大師。
武宮正樹的宇宙流後來為什麼沒有人下?
王銘琬的《新棋紀樂園》為什麼大家並不特別推崇?
吳清源大師的《21世紀圍棋》,為什麼大家只供奉在神壇上?
在王立誠、芮迺偉等之後,就鮮少棋手再在賽場上嘗試吳大師新發表的下法了。
原因都是,那樣不能贏棋。
引用一下《21世紀圍棋》裡的話與大家分享:
「拘泥於局部,即使剛開始還不錯,但從全局角度上來看就落後了,
這種事情,如果不以具體的例子來說明的話,又有誰能相信呢。」
「棋子走到低位就會輸棋,一定要有這種認識。必須把眼光投放到寬廣的地方去。」
「20世紀的人們,只考慮自己如何能撈到便宜。這使得圍棋没有了前途。」
的確,很現實很殘酷的一點就是:無法贏,就不受重視,舉世皆然。
很少「人」能拋開勝負,追求那片廣闊未知的價值,不在乎結果。
而吳清源大師就是少數可以不在乎勝負,純粹追求最善的一手的人。
我想在這一點上,吳清源大師真的並沒有落後於AlphaGo。
(雖然AlphaGo不是人,不過可以說是AlphaGo背後的團隊吧,
可以說黃士傑博士與DeepMind團隊就是以另一種方式追求最善的一手)
不過,AlphaGo還是因為能「贏」,所以又得到了大家的重視。
確實也無法不脫離勝負來談圍棋,吳清源大師如果沒有輝煌的戰績,
也不會成為吳清源。
但我想這是一個警醒,獲勝只是表相,只是附加,
重要的是所追求的價值,是內容。
很難,可是就像吳清源大師說的,「必須把眼光投放到寬廣的地方去」。
期待在「能贏」的AlphaGo出現之後,
大家能在圍棋上得到更多(勝負之外)的收穫吧。
五月的大戰即將來臨,真心期待看到AlphaGo與眾高手下出更有意思的內容。
P.S. 雖然不是文章重點,但孔子沒有說過圍棋是四藝(琴棋書畫)之一,
更沒有說過它很重要。琴棋書畫並稱是在唐代以後的事。
孔子只說「不有博弈者乎,為之猶賢乎已」,
意思是下棋的人至少有在用心,比「飽食終日」好而已。
圍棋的地位從「小道」漸漸提升到「四藝之一」,
靠的也是它「藝」的一面,競技勝負的那一面並非儒家觀念所推崇的。
哎,扯遠啦。
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