咪機 月經題 - 麻將
By Christine
at 2016-06-04T01:48
at 2016-06-04T01:48
Table of Contents
※ 引述《XiaoBaoLa ( (●)_(●))》之銘言:
: 咪機 一般 是八張內無吃碰槓
: 當然也有玩四張、五張的(莊家第二手)
: 日前碰到一個情況
: 莊家起手開門補花隨即丟孤張大字
: 對家碰,丟牌
: 上家摸牌,丟牌
: 莊家摸牌之前理好牌說,我咪機了
: 對家說不算,上家也說不算,我是下家我沒出聲(雖然我是覺得要算啦)
: 後來場主出來定奪算(最後流局就是)
: 請問各位牌友,這種情形一般是給算還是不給算?
: (東場,非歡樂場)
個人意見是不算~以前看過兩種說法,以輪序行牌權做為區分
(前提不討論天聽地聽,以每人2手8張內無吃碰槓為migi)
1.任意宣告說:
非以自己行牌為必要,皆可宣告migi,即不論輪誰摸牌丟牌,migi者皆可宣告。
理由是加速牌局(如莊家出牌後閒家吃碰,莊家仍得宣告),及保護閒家(如尾
家沒摸過牌且尚在理牌,其他家已有吃碰,若限制其migi顯失公平)。
2.行牌宣告說:
宣告migi,以輪自己行牌時,捨牌前或捨牌時宣告。理由為台麻"migi"是由日
麻演化而來,所以看過小兄弟的都知道,要在捨牌時宣告,亦為保護其他家的行
牌意思,免受在後的migi宣告所突襲而遭受不利。
兩說皆有其缺點,如任意宣告可能導致migi者若首輪聽醜可待次輪摸牌(無人吃碰)
再決定,反正遇到有人吃碰仍得宣告,賦予其過度選擇權。且造成突襲,例如本家
碰莊家首張捨牌打出二萬,而此時莊家先嗆migi再胡二萬...若莊家先宣告,本家
便得審酌形勢而或有不同判斷。
對於行牌宣告之批判,則為台麻與日麻差異處甚多,無須處處比照,否則造成諸多
不必要之限制,且若僅得於行牌時宣告,有過度侵害牌序在後者的權利之疑慮,意
即牌序優先難道比公平原則(狹義,例如平平都是還沒摸過牌就已聽牌)更重要?
結論:個人意見採折衷說,即原則上migi之宣告不以自己行牌時為限,例外若已行
牌,則在次輪行牌前不得宣告,故本題migi無效,以上。
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: 咪機 一般 是八張內無吃碰槓
: 當然也有玩四張、五張的(莊家第二手)
: 日前碰到一個情況
: 莊家起手開門補花隨即丟孤張大字
: 對家碰,丟牌
: 上家摸牌,丟牌
: 莊家摸牌之前理好牌說,我咪機了
: 對家說不算,上家也說不算,我是下家我沒出聲(雖然我是覺得要算啦)
: 後來場主出來定奪算(最後流局就是)
: 請問各位牌友,這種情形一般是給算還是不給算?
: (東場,非歡樂場)
個人意見是不算~以前看過兩種說法,以輪序行牌權做為區分
(前提不討論天聽地聽,以每人2手8張內無吃碰槓為migi)
1.任意宣告說:
非以自己行牌為必要,皆可宣告migi,即不論輪誰摸牌丟牌,migi者皆可宣告。
理由是加速牌局(如莊家出牌後閒家吃碰,莊家仍得宣告),及保護閒家(如尾
家沒摸過牌且尚在理牌,其他家已有吃碰,若限制其migi顯失公平)。
2.行牌宣告說:
宣告migi,以輪自己行牌時,捨牌前或捨牌時宣告。理由為台麻"migi"是由日
麻演化而來,所以看過小兄弟的都知道,要在捨牌時宣告,亦為保護其他家的行
牌意思,免受在後的migi宣告所突襲而遭受不利。
兩說皆有其缺點,如任意宣告可能導致migi者若首輪聽醜可待次輪摸牌(無人吃碰)
再決定,反正遇到有人吃碰仍得宣告,賦予其過度選擇權。且造成突襲,例如本家
碰莊家首張捨牌打出二萬,而此時莊家先嗆migi再胡二萬...若莊家先宣告,本家
便得審酌形勢而或有不同判斷。
對於行牌宣告之批判,則為台麻與日麻差異處甚多,無須處處比照,否則造成諸多
不必要之限制,且若僅得於行牌時宣告,有過度侵害牌序在後者的權利之疑慮,意
即牌序優先難道比公平原則(狹義,例如平平都是還沒摸過牌就已聽牌)更重要?
結論:個人意見採折衷說,即原則上migi之宣告不以自己行牌時為限,例外若已行
牌,則在次輪行牌前不得宣告,故本題migi無效,以上。
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